Re: Children - to have or have not?

[CreoleGenius]

Nicole seems to be a misguided socialist government addict.

"Do you want to buy some candy/wrapping paper/magazines/etc. to support our school?  (Pretty much every evening at my house.)
We need to raise YOUR income tax this year, but we are giving relief to families by increasing the child deduction."

Government school Obesity Promotion Program.  Income taxes go through corrupt, inefficient bureaucracy and
promote wasteful, health-destroying sugar-starch-fat feasts complete with preservatives, MSG, GMO, salt-lick, aspartame,
steroid soups for the brainwashing of our air-conditioned, behavior-modified, agenda-oriented, IPod-anethesized Zombies.

Look, Nicole, I pay a lot more taxes than you do to send this doomed crop to your government day-care centers.
I take no kind of vouchers to pay for my children to go to hundred-year-old parochial schools, and I resent your stupid
assertion that they are being taught to hate there.  You'd better put your foot back in your digital mouth if you really
think your progeny is being better educated to survive Peak Oil than are mine.

"What I *do* mind is paying more income tax so that people who can have kids pay less.  Hello, my taxes are supposed to pay for your kids' $100 Nikes and PS3's?  Don't say it isn't so... I've heard parents brag about what they will do with the money.  Usually well off parents that's don't need any tax breaks."

So parents who can have kids "pay less"?  $100 Nikes and PS3's.  Do you really think we can afford to pay for quality private education and your tax-subsidized "poor kids" after dressing our children in this sort of modern-day waste?  Its the so-called
"poor kids" around here that wear such clothing and play such games.  I teach my kids to COOK and raise the goats.  And if you
ever come on here again Global Moderator or not, and insinuate that I have been taught to hate "people like us" because
I have a private school education, I will come back on here an punch you straight back in your flapping digital pie-hole.

You have some sort of socialist, class-struggle activism mixed up with true parentage and peak oil preparation.

[Nicole]

Nicole seems to be a misguided socialist government addict.

So, I'm confused.  You are angry because I said I didn't mind paying taxes to provide essential services to children that need them?  Or because I said that I think that too much of those taxes of mine go to support the children of people who don't need the money?

"Do you want to buy some candy/wrapping paper/magazines/etc. to support our school?  (Pretty much every evening at my house.)
We need to raise YOUR income tax this year, but we are giving relief to families by increasing the child deduction."

Yes, I find it annoying and ridiculous that our neighborhoods are bombarded by schoolchildren hawking candy bars as fund raisers.  I am suppose to welcome training legions of school kids to sell overpriced garbage as slave labor, and the expectation that I am supposed to cough up $15 every bloody night so the band has new uniforms?

And yes, every time some pompous politician talks about how passing laws for "tax relief," my taxes go up.

Government school Obesity Promotion Program.  Income taxes go through corrupt, inefficient bureaucracy and
promote wasteful, health-destroying sugar-starch-fat feasts complete with preservatives, MSG, GMO, salt-lick, aspartame,
steroid soups for the brainwashing of our air-conditioned, behavior-modified, agenda-oriented, IPod-anethesized Zombies.

No argument from me there. 

Look, Nicole, I pay a lot more taxes than you do to send this doomed crop to your government day-care centers.

Exactly how did you arrive at that conclusion?

I take no kind of vouchers to pay for my children to go to hundred-year-old parochial schools, and I resent your stupid
assertion that they are being taught to hate there. 

Then the comment didn't apply to you, did it?

Certain parents in this country want to spend MY tax money to send THEIR children to religious indoctrination centers, and whether those schools are Christian or Islam or The Church of the Blue Fairy I don't give a rats ass.  If people want to teach their kids superstitious nonsense and to hate people who don't believe in the same superstitious crap, I'll defend your right to do so, but I'll be damned if I will be the one who pays for it.

You'd better put your foot back in your digital mouth if you really
think your progeny is being better educated to survive Peak Oil than are mine.

Hello... the point was that I chose not to have kids but I am still required by law to have my money confiscated to support the children of others. 

So, yeah, my non-existent progeny won't be surviving Peak Oil.   

[Michelle in Ga]

Her canine child will do just fine.

[CreoleGenius]

So it's alright if I pay inordinate taxes to indoctrinate the children of those
who pay no income taxes?  I should pay to feed them artificial garbage to
make them obese?  And you complain about the small percentage of my taxes
that is deducted because I have children for whom I pay tuition with my
remaining income?  I see you are still claiming that my childrens' schools
teach them to hate.  I stand in my claim that you are misguided.

[Nicole]

So it's alright if I pay inordinate taxes to indoctrinate the children of those
who pay no income taxes?  I should pay to feed them artificial garbage to
make them obese? 

I didn't say a thing about what was right for you being different from me, did I?  I said that I don't have a problem sharing some of the financial burden of schooling children in the name of the public good, nor do I have a problem sharing some of the financial burden of feeding and healthcare for those that are poor.  Apparently, you do. 

I do have a problem with the universal child tax deduction regardless of need or income, and now we also have the child tax "credit," just in case we weren't subsidizing poor contraception enough.  People making $250,000 year don't need help making ends meet to feed the kids, and it's offensive to be to be forced to fund their summer camps. 

And you complain about the small percentage of my taxes
that is deducted because I have children for whom I pay tuition with my
remaining income? 

The tuition you pay to send your children to non-public schools is a discretionary expense.  No one is forcing you to pay that extra money.  You made the choice, and obviously you have the funds to back it up.  If you have a problem with the ramifications of the choice you made, you need to go look in the mirror and stop blaming everyone else.

I don't get a choice -- I fund those schools whether I want to or not, for children I don't have, don't know and often will never meet.  (And don't want to meet.)  I am forced to fund public schools, so why should I also be forced to fund private schools?  Ones which are exempt from niceties like public oversight of what they teach, even if they feed at the public trough via vouchers or other funding programs?

Meanwhile you get a tax deduction AND credit no matter which choice you make.  What exactly are you complaining about?  That your local public schools are so poor you don't want to send your kids there?  That might be a legitimate complaint but it isn't my doing.  Take it up with the neighbors.

I stand in my claim that you are misguided.

I say that you are the "misguided socialist government addict" if you think I should be forced to pay for your discretionary children's discretionary private schooling.

[podunkinak]

If people want to teach their kids superstitious nonsense and to hate people who don't believe in the same superstitious crap, I'll defend your right to do so, but I'll be damned if I will be the one who pays for it.

 

  So is this a "broad sweeping generalization" or just more self rightous "my belief system is the only one thats right" crap ?

  ( in reference to the superstitious nonsense hate people  coment)

  You say you will defend their right to do so right after attacking them. contradiction?

   Just so you know , I don't think you should have to pay for anyones belief. But to spout such hateful words against some one for suppossedly teaching their children hate is kinda hypocritical of you don't you think?

[Vault-Co]

The fundamental flaw in all women is that they arrive at conclusions by social consensus.

Women can't think anymore than they can run the mile under four minutes.

[JurisDoctorOfDoom]

Nicole seems to be a misguided socialist government addict.

CreoleGenius,

If you're going to insult forum members, at least to it with a bit of panash. Flame Warrior Lesson #1: If you're going to play dirty in the Thunderdome you best come out with all your guns blazing. In this case of doing battle with a woman like Nicole that means including the obligatory albeit completely unfounded accusation of engaging in lezbionic behavior.

Look, Nicole, I pay a lot more taxes than you do to send this doomed crop to your government day-care centers.

Not bad but not too creative there: attacking advesary's financial abilities. It might work if there was at least some truth to it. If you pay attention to Nicole's posts it seems she's done pretty well for herself, not rich but definitely has her financial situation as squared away as anybody mid-30s could reasonable expect.

Flame Warrior Lesson #2: flames with a bit of truth mixed in are generally more effective than flames that are completely off base.

You have some sort of socialist, class-struggle activism mixed up with true parentage and peak oil preparation.

See above. If Nicole was spouting off like some angry socialist who is hoping to use Peak Oil as a wedge to implement her failed political agenda then this flame would be a decent one. But her posts are almost exclusively about actual prep, property shopping, diet, seeds, etc.

Anyways, my advice to you is persuse some high-traffic forums where there is a lot of flaming and maybe learn a thing or two before you come back and attempt to engage in flame war here on the LATOC forum.

 

[Jennifer]

Did you read VaultCo's comment? Gasp! Faint! Oh, horror! I am shocked, offended and even hurt!

There. Happy now, VaultCo? You are getting the attention you so desperately crave.

True trolling is an art form. Stop being such a hack. You are to a genuine troll as Kevin Federline is to a genuine singer.

[Nicole]

Wasn't one of those Flame Warriors the Necore-mancer, to resurrect old threads?

[Shillelagh]

The fundamental flaw in all women is that they arrive at conclusions by social consensus.

Women can't think anymore than they can run the mile under four minutes.

[Pass the popcorn]Hmm,  I've found a old movie, like Austin Powers #1.  Yeahhhh baby.

[heretic]

Wasn't one of those Flame Warriors the Necore-mancer, to resurrect old threads?

yep. http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/necromancer.htm

I see some troglodyte in him too.   http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/troglodyte.htm

what would you call Matts flame war color commentary on that month and a half old post?  NecroMadden?

[Nicole]

Wasn't one of those Flame Warriors the Necore-mancer, to resurrect old threads?

yep. http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/necromancer.htm

Eh, and here I though there was some funny pun-ish spelling involved.

I vote for Enfant Provocateur for Vault:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm

[heretic]

could be this too.
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/rebelwithoutclue.htm

[Jennifer]

No, people. He's Lonely Guy.

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/lonelyguy.htm

Lonely Guy doesn't get out much, and often his social isolation can drive him to do battle just for the human contact.

If you doubt my theory, consider this: he claims to have picked up and thrown a boulder the size of a refrigerator, and expects us to believe him! I ask you: are these the actions of a man who knows how real-life humans talk and think? Claiming to bench-press a couple hundred pounds. . . yeah, that has the ring of plausibility. But he chose a rock the size of a refrigerator.