My Observations of Peak Oil people ::)

[kaykay]

 

[OldHorseman]

hillbillies/rednecks, (oh sorry, I meant to say "survivalists") with guns

   And don't you forget it, laddie!

   Now I gots to ask around fer a Hobbit stew recipe...

[MicroHydro]

You forgot one category, feudal baron.  Rainwater is already one.  The Bushes have a barony waiting in Paraguay.  (Does anyone not  think that Jenna Bush will be troubled by the Olduvai collapse?)  The former CIA director Porter Goss rules a large organic farm.  These people will employ the farmers, mercenaries, post peak skilled craftsmen.  The future will look a lot like the antebellum southern USA.  Yes, there will be some wild men in the woods, outlaw highwaymen, and white trash smallholders - but most people will be folded into the plantation system as indentured servants or overseers.

Re: Frodo - Colin Campbell is a 9/11 truther too.

[heretic]

hillbillies/rednecks, (oh sorry, I meant to say "survivalists") with guns

 And don't you forget it, laddie!

 Now I gots to ask around fer a Hobbit stew recipe...

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcade/1675/Angmar/angmar_recipe_1.html
but don't ask me where to get the 2 cups of Orc from

I only see 3 types of peak oil people:

1. Doomsayers, conspiracy theorists, end of timers, people who think that the WTC towers were pulled down with explosive charges, hillbillies/rednecks, (oh sorry, I meant to say "survivalists") with guns.  This probably accounts for about 90% of the crowd.

DOOM DOOOM DOOOOOM,
J. Edgar Hoover shot JFK from the grassy knoll while wearing a pink frilly dress and matching tiara,
just wait until gOD returns muhaaaahhhhhh
gravity pulled the towers down AFTER the explosives went off
YEEEEEhAAAAAwWW Git-r-dun  BANG BANG BANG.

 

[Leaf]

Snippets from Leaf's post: No, leaf.  You didn't even use a spell checker.
It would have detected Aslo for ALSO, and Wont without an apostrophe.
It would have missed then instead of THAN and coarse instead of COURSE.

Worse than the spelling, however, is the completely uneducated abuse
of English grammar.  I'm not sure that leaf could be taught to employ a
grammar checker.  Such software will at least give recommendations for
repairing all of the run-ons, half sentences and dangling participles that
leaf manages.  He belongs in his own category of RETARD.

Well for 1 as said Dont give a crap too much on the spell check I'm on a internet forum. Not writing a book. Seems you understood as do the posters here what is communicated..If not ignore my post.
Also Let me ask can you speak any other language? Probally 10 words in some other...And also I don't speak English daily where I am so I forget alot. Always in every forum thier are posters who dont post shit "or know nothing" but always get on the grammer...   CreoleGenius, Go preach to someone else on grammar because i dont give a f#ck!

I only see 3 types of peak oil people:

1. Doomsayers, conspiracy theorists, end of timers, people who think that the WTC towers were pulled down with explosive charges, hillbillies/rednecks, (oh sorry, I meant to say "survivalists") with guns.  This probably accounts for about 90% of the crowd.

2. Scientific types who use sound data from the best possible sources available and only cite peer reviewed articles to make their arguments.  People like George Monbiot, Colin Campbell, a few of the crowd over at the oil drum.  Accounts for about 5% of the peak oilers.

3. Fools who cannot be bothered to spell Olduvai correctly even though it takes two seconds to type "Oldovia" into google, who, in all its kindness and wisdom, will immediately respond with: "Did you mean Olduvai?"  About another 5% of the population.

Ohh Mr Great and Know all the answers may I bow before you? 

[Leaf]

My observation of Peak Oil People:

There are a number of folks who are really really simplistic and see the coming times in one simple, "easy to understand" way so they can act like they know the one True way of preparing for the coming times.  These people are often dogmatic to the point of reminding me of fundamentalist Christians.  They often like to preach about the one "True" way and how they are one of the select chosen few that will make it through the hard times.  Why?  It makes them feel better.  It soothes their frightened little minds.  It makes them feel....superior. 

I thought when the shit get real bad Jesus will break open the Eastern Sky and resque his Chosenites when they can no longer shop at Wal Mart.

It soothes their frightened little minds.  It makes them feel....superior.

  What are you talking about? Most people that understand about Peak Oil are ALL somewhat doomerish...Sooth our frightened little minds??? Yeah maybe......Let me think about that...Hnmm I'll likely see my daugher in dire poverty, many people die, wars,famine etc...frightened little minds???Yeah when i start thinking about what the world will look like a few years into PO. See with your staement it makes YOU appear correct and superior while all of us have frightened little minds.

[Nicole]

hillbillies/rednecks, (oh sorry, I meant to say "survivalists") with guns

   And don't you forget it, laddie!

   Now I gots to ask around fer a Hobbit stew recipe...

I suspect pickled Hobbit feet would be very similar to pickled pork feet.  Other than that, weren't you building a smokehouse?

[Frodo]

Gosh, that first post was fun:

JDD said: You forgot the fourth category: "condescending assholes".

Uh, no, the condescending assholes are part of the "scientific types category"

Someone else said: Re: Frodo - Colin Campbell is a 9/11 truther too.

So, I put Colin Campbell in the "scientific" category because I've never heard/read him make silly comments about 9/11.  Trust me, I don't think the whole thing went down the way the 9/11 report said.  Does that make me a 9/11 truther too?

[Leaf]

Well I should at least tell those where I am...I would say I am a realist mixed with couch preparer. Early stages more of the first..now I just take it easy enjoy the oil age and what it has to offer. I have preparations pretty well laid...3 homes in small towns Ukraine. I have the tools, the knowledge , language, the sex appeal, The Ukraine wife and misstresses, you name it..that I will be better off then most in the USA....but since I moved to ukraine in 2004..I've gotten very complacent and lazy..Now I tend to hire out work done, then do it myself...Also spend too much time around my many females...then preparing.......Ohh well if I die at least I can say I lived!

[Michelle in Ga]

You forgot the part where you drink vodka and take 4 vacations this year . . .

[SabreKai]

So whats wrong with drinking vodka and taking 4 vacations a year?

I sure wouldn't mind doing that. Sure would cut down on the stress levels!

Sabre

[Leaf]

You forgot the part where you drink vodka and take 4 vacations this year . . . Cool

I drink beer on ave about 2 bottles a day or 10 a week..I believe in moderation..Vodka sometimes I'll have a shot a half liter bottle of vodka will last me 2 months if I drink alone..with a Ukjraian 1 day.....and it aint me doing the drinking.
Yes I'm enjoying the oil age 3-5 vacations a year is my goal for 2007. This year I did 4. Next year I am considering taking a trip to ireland to visit a freind, also the Azov Sea, and Carpatian Mt I want to return to. I am enjoying the OIL AGE now.
I live on 700 USD a month now..of which about 400 meet basic needs-foods-bills etc comfortably and the rest goes into a "trip-vacation- fund" If one sets aside 1,000 dollars you can do allot here in UA thats a good 2 week trip to Azov sea including hotels , bars-foods, and travel to there..I take a electric train from my home to Melitopol and there they have vans that go back and forth..all the travel is like 4 bucks one way.

So whats wrong with drinking vodka and taking 4 vacations a year?

I sure wouldn't mind doing that. Sure would cut down on the stress levels!

I understand.When I was in the US Army I was stressed out!! Yeah the pay was good, but my life was fling by and I wasnt content. My life now is enjoying simplicity, enjoying the present, building memories "vacations, cafes,a quit walk in nature,smell the flowers, watching birds, and stuff like that"When I turn 60 "if I live that long" I can at least look back on my life and say I lived! The best years of my life is now age 20-40..I have ZERO desire working those years away for shit I dont need. I'm self employed I make about 700 dollars a month on ave working about 15- 20 hrs a week..I have no debts..I have my basics needs, many comforts and a few luxturies....but most of all I HAVE ENOUGH..Thus I am living the best years of my life like a retired man...Been like this since Jan 2004 now going on 3 years soon of which I plan to buy a nice bottle of conjac to celabrate...and to drink to more to come!!!!

[kaykay]

but most of all I HAVE ENOUGH

Leaf, that says it all.....at least you walk the talk and are not contributing as much to the problem as most of us.  I actually admire that about you....but don't let it go to your head. 

[goatgruff]

I'm happy with leaf's mode of expression: it's kind of like reading through the secret codes that used to be on the backs of kids' cereal boxes.  And I particularly liked 'Oldovia:' I didn't see it as an error at all, but a coining of a name for the era we're anticipating here:  "Once we're deep enough into the Oldovian, the happy remnant will be building new structures of community on top of the fossilized Shit That Hit the Fan (STHTF)   . . ."  Maybe the non-glow-in-the-dark part of Ukraine will reconstitute as the Autonomous Republic of Oldovia, with the image of Richard Leakey, or better, Lucy, on its one-latoc notes (printed in Leaf's kitchen: raw-potato stamp on wilted cabbage leaves, paprika-based ink--yum).

[Solarsurvivalist]

Greetings:

Though I loved how well-written Nicole was on her post outlining categories of peak-oil people I'd like to comment on the "wilderness survivalist" type. I consider myself under this heading though in no way does Nicole's description describe how I go about learning these skills. Pure wilderness survival is a difficult strategy. It requires healthy ecosystems which are few and far between for most Americans. The skills, though, are incredibly handy and a necessity to any survival basket. Diversity has been the key to success for life on this planet for millions of years and it will continue to be so. No urban homesteader or agrarian will be able to remain that way without partially becoming an ammo stockpiler. Their sedentary lifestyle demands defense. Already I've seen a few replies to Nicole's post warning how survivalists might be found foraging in their well tending gardens and what might happen to those people. Likewise, no urban homesteader or agrarian will be able to do anything about a lost crop due to a turn in the weather for that year. If they had combined agrarian skills with simple survival skills like trapping, hunting, and foraging high calorie foods such as acorns, black walnuts, and what I'll call caretaking they'd probably fare much better (though if they remain sedentary they will still need some form of defense such as weapons, stealth, or distance from others). Caretaking can be defined as altering a wild area to be more fruitful in a few wild species useful to you such as when natives of the west burned conifer forests to plant oaks or simply clearing ponds of bulrush and other sedges and replacing them with cattails. Caretaking lies somewhere between agriculture and foraging and it is sorely underresearched.

As for learning these skills it's easy. Becoming a true "hunter-gatherer" might take 10 years but learning how to process and identify acorns, make and set traps, and plant cattails doesn't have to. There are excellent classes all over the country (http://www.hollowtop.com/Schools_North_America.htm). I recommend a Dancing Hawk class as they provide the most practical experience at an incredibly fair price(http://www.dancinghawk.com/). Avoid Tom Brown classes, of which I have taken a few, as they are incredibly expensive, the same information can be found in his books, and he still requires you to do "dirt-time" at home before the skills sink in. What I recommend most is going to an earthskills gathering, since they are the cheapest and easiest ways to learn skills while practicing them. Rabbitstick (http://www.backtracks.net/Rabbitstick.html) is the best and there are many others (http://www.hollowtop.com/Primitive_Skills_Gatherings.htm).

With survival skills in hand one simply has to set out the trap-line, gather acorns when they fall, and if the harvest from the ole agrarian homestead fails you'll have less chance of starving.

Thanks for reading,

Scott