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[taylor]

Calmer, have read lots, many view points anyone see full page ad in a paper today imagine it ran everywhere about gulf of mexico oil?  Noticing much more of this kinda thing since reading this forum. 

Okay poke holes in my opinion but I think instead of the bell curve used as an example to show peak oil I see more of a longer peak with gentler slope to show decrease.  Since we are at or near peak now and demand is growing price will increase which will encourage production...not able to reach peak again but slow the rate of decline.  Supply isn't the problem it's demand.  Price will aide in controlling demand.  Still a problem but not crisis, already seeing how popular hybrids are and try to sell that suv lately?  I know I've bought my last suv.  If as is expected recession will soon slow demand in the US which will affect demand to the US suppliers.  Using history as an example fuel price will fall and there will be a recovery.  This will cycle with fuel prices trending upward will continue.  At some point it will be life after oil, it's my hope that the planet will be prepared.  In my opinion population should be a larger concern then PO. 

Researched solar...ROI of almost 20 yrs. doesn't make economic sense yet but that is pretty amazing.  If money isn't an object there is the capability of being not only off grid but being connected and a producer.  Microhydro, wind, solar and solar PV, geothermal.  Less then a grand will get you a portable solar panel and cart to haul the battery.  Transportation is still a big issue, battery I think the biggest hurdle.  Although I can zig zag for 18 holes and not run out of power. 

Food supply is an issue, organic is already fairly popular.  Can't do the volume which is why population growth is a big concern.  May be along with all the other changes that will be forced on us instead of 2.2 kids we will have .5? 

Air travel is an issue.  But is it necessary?  Oil is used in many products any that we can't do with out or find alternatives?  Don't know.

I'm still stockpiling some, think that is a sensible idea regardless of peak oil. Same goes with finances good advice regardless. Not willing to arm myself to the teeth and shoot my neighbors tho.   

I think my optimistic outlook is reasonable can't help but think SHTF outlook is also reasonable.  People panic and it's not like nations have never went to war over resources.  To me my guess would be 80%-20% with 20% being SHTF at some point.         

[Judy]

In my opinion population should be a larger concern then PO. 

Quite.

And if not population, then climate change. 

You made an indirect reference to golf.  That should be the new tobacco, in my opinion.  That, and flying. 

[Chip Haynes]

Ok, so let's see: We've got non-renewable energy resource depletion, over population and climate change. But climate change is probably brought on by the resources that are depleting, and the population came about because of all the cheap, easy energy that gave us so much free time and food. So now all the cheap, easy energy is going away?

Am I the only one that sees these as self-solving problems?

 

[oliver.rochford]

Am I the only one that sees these as self-solving problems?

Of course. But sadly _in_the_long_run_

It's the interim that is the worrying thing.

I am not saying climate change will usher in the literal end of the world, but as far as human civilisation is concerned, that possibility is on the table.

Ollie

[Chip Haynes]

I don't expect climate change to kill off every human, but maybe in the long run a few of us may have to move to high(er) ground.

I still contend that global warmig beats the snot out of another ice age.

[oliver.rochford]

I still contend that global warmig beats the snot out of another ice age.

Who has ruled out another ice age?

In western europe and north east usa that is still very much on the cards.

Not forgetting that warming is only the beginning.

We have no real idea what could happen. We are setting loose any number of amplifiers, positive and negative feedback loops, so ahead lies terra incognita.
Or possibly terra post mortem.

Ollie

[Chip Haynes]

Ok, the honest truth: I live in central Florida, but have a pair of cross-country skiis in my bedroom closet. Go figure.

I guess I'm ready for whatever happens next.