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Dasher10
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« on: November 08, 2006, 12:14:43 PM »

I have ADHD, chronic depression, and OCD. I have 10 years to learn how to make cheap substitutes for Provigil, Fluvoxamine, and Strattera. Then again, I have 20 years to learn how Grin
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oliver.rochford
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2006, 12:18:48 PM »

ADHD I would recommend marijuana.

Might not go too well with the depression though.

However, the cause for depression may be environmental, so that may go away.

I've got ADHD too and take no meds, although I'm not a hardcore case.

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Michelle in Ga
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2006, 03:14:31 PM »

You can grow St John's Wort for depression. Not sure about the rest.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2006, 06:22:44 PM »

Let your doc know you want to change/reduce your meds.
If s/he has no interest perhaps he has a colleague who practices complementary psychiatry.

In addition ask about:
1) DAILY EXERCISE.
2) Explore omega 3 fish oil. e.g.http://www.omega-research.com/searchlist.php?keyword=adhd&return=&Submit=Search

Good luck.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2006, 06:23:41 PM »

DON'T WAIT.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2006, 11:43:03 PM »

Exercise is a mood enhancer. Laughter too. And I agree with the advice about consulting a doctor about substitutes. Any doctor is probably familiar with this history:

Pre-pharma, docs used to prescribe salt baths at natural spas. Seems some of the salts in those spas included natural Lithium salt, which was later discovered and packaged as a 'miracle drug' for bipolar depression in the 1980's. Also in the old days folks were prescribed seaside vacations, presumably the sea salt was part of the cure.
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Dennis from Oregon
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2006, 10:19:48 AM »

Follow your instincts Matt, they are seldom wrong..     Its exactly why I live in a forest...
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2006, 10:27:00 AM »

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You can grow St John's Wort for depression
Yeah and take about 100 pills of this a day to feel any results.
In post peka I feel home grown pot will skyrocket...I know this helps people with your illness and in places like teh netherlands they have realized this and you can even get a prescription for it.
Worse case senerios booze always seem to work.
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oliver.rochford
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2006, 10:28:50 AM »

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In post peka I feel home grown pot will skyrocket...


I completely agree!!

It's good for many ailments, not least of all, wanting to get battered Wink

But it's also a fantastic plant anyway, for fibre, oil and protein.

http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html

The historic chapters are great, although i don't believe hemp is the answer to all of the worlds ailments Smiley

Cheers
Ollie

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Leaf
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2006, 10:34:50 AM »

You know pot seems to also make people laugh alot. It also sooths depression.
Post peak oil will be very deppressing...Booze and pot will be people escapes from the hardships of daily life. Even in economic deppression these two I feel will still sell and people will still find a way to obtain..Look at the 30's bootlegging was the thing folks like Al Capone became wealthy during prohibition and economic depression.
I dont do pot..but if things get real bad........
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Nicole
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2006, 05:28:37 PM »

I have ADHD, chronic depression, and OCD. I have 10 years to learn how to make cheap substitutes for Provigil, Fluvoxamine, and Strattera. Then again, I have 20 years to learn how Grin

All three conditions have been implicated with an underlying cause: poor nutrition and environmental toxins.  Post-peak, if you are eating at all you almost certainly will be eating an unrefined, unprocessed diet from food grown without the use of poisons and sprays.  Chronic depression, except in rare cases, responds very well to the same unrefined, unprocessed diet from food grown without the use of poisons and sprays.  (Not necessarily a cure, but relief.)  Unfortunately, despite it's simplicity this is a difficult diet to adhere to but if you are mostly successful you may see relief, and at least it will help you learn if this is a factor for you.

Be forwarned -- moving to this kind of diet tends to make you feel much worse for anywhere from a week to 2 months, depending on how bad your diet was before. 

Environmental toxins are harder to pinpoint, and won't simply go away post peak -- in fact, they may get worse for a while.  Careful research of the level of toxins in the area you plan to settle in seems warranted especially in your case.

St. Johns Wort does work well for many people, but it uses the same mechanism that commercial anti-depressant drugs do, namely it's a serotonin uptake inhibitor.  Many people have depleted and exhausted serotonin production, from years and decades of processed and high sugar foods.  (These foods cause a temporary rush of seratonin -- a feel-good neurotransmitter -- and eating too much of this crap literally wears your production system out.  We call 'em comfort foods for a reason.)   Do not take St. John's Wort while taking any other anti-depressant!

Other that completely revising your diet, you can help improve your serotonin balance by avoiding tryptophan (in many protein rich foods, especially poultry -- it causes a seratonin rush), avoiding all sugar (also a serotonin rush), eating 5-6 small meals per day made up of fat, protein and carbs whenever possible, and increase your intake of foods high in vitamin B6, which aids in healthy serotonin production.  Omega 3's are also believed to be helpful, but I would limit fish sources of Omega 3's in your diet, due to the high levels of chemical toxins frequently found in fish, since it may be a factor.

Low dietary and blood levels of all of the B vitamins have been implicated in all kinds of mental illnesses.  Natural sources are best, but you may want to try taking a high quality b-complex supplement (at least 200%+ of RDA) for 3 months to see if it helps reduce your symptoms. 

Finally, low-level food allergeries are also a trigger for OCD and ADHD.  Consider asking your doc for a full blood food allergen screening (ELISA).  They are fairly expensive, and can give false negatives if you haven't eaten that particular food for several weeks, but positive results are very accurate and if may help you pinpoint a big problem.  Unlike skin tests, there are no tedious and painful visits to the doc -- just one blood draw.  If you do show a big allergy, your doc will likely suggest completely removing that item from your diet for 6 weeks and then performing a challenge test under medical supervision to confirm the allergy.

It can be very hard to gauge the effects of dietary and lifestyle changes when you are taking pharmaceuticals.  Depending on the way you manifest your symptoms, you may be able to be fine without your meds, but I would try reducing them one at a time and only with the supervision of your doc.  If your doc says it is safe to try tapering off and eliminating the drugs before you try any of these things, that will help you pinpoint what will and will not help in your particular case. 
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