Global warming data manipulated - proof?

[Hogie2010]

so far up the ass

Hey lets not make it personal we all can't agree with your line of thinking.

[mtlouie]

No, actually, we can't.  You people are DYING (pun intended) to continue BAU.  You just cannot imagine any other way of life.  You buy into anything that will continue this process. 

Do you understand what global governance is?  GATT, NAFTA, the WTO, the World Bank, et al.

And they want to continue BAU just as long as they possibly can.  If they didn't, they would have stopped this insanity a long, long time ago.

[Kushtaka]

The overwhelming majority of scientists

If your work finds in favour of GW then the governments will fund your research.

If your work finds no GW then no funding for you.

The politicians are clueless one way or another.

The PTB want global governace, one world bank and for YOU to fund that bank through carbon taxes. And to make Al Gore rich.

Think for yourself, do the homework, check the facts, doubt everything until proven.

Look at the world we now live in, it's all a facade. 

So you side with politicians against scientists and you use political criteria and outcomes to explain the reality of a scientific matter?

Do the homework? What homework have you done? Where do you get your research material? Which international scientific bodies do you have backing your opinion? Any actual scientists? Any scientific organizations?
No? Just political groups? That's it? That's all you have?

So are you trying to tell me that every single member of all these organizations is sold out to a global conspiracy involving Al Gore?

All of these scientists (plus MANY MANY more I left out) are wrong and a couple political pundits you read about on the interwebs are right on a subject concerning science?


European Academy of Sciences and Arts

U.S. Global Change Research Program

InterAcademy Council

NASA

International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences

Joint science academies including: Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Cameroon, Canada, the Caribbean, China, France, Ghana, Germany, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, India, Japan, Kenya, Madagascar, Malaysia, Mexico, Nigeria, New Zealand, Russia, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Sweden, Tanzania, Uganda, United Kingdom, United States, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.


Network of African Science Academies (including major universities in Cameroon, Ghana, Kenya, Madagascar, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, as well as the African Academy of Sciences)

Royal Society of New Zealand

Polish Academy of Sciences

National Research Council

American Association for the Advancement of Science

The European Science Foundation

Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies


American Geophysical Union

European Federation of Geologists

European Geosciences Union

Geological Society of America

Geological Society of Australia

International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics

National Association of Geoscience Teachers

American Meteorological Society

Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society

Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences

Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society

Royal Meteorological Society (UK)

American Quaternary Association

International Union for Quaternary Research

American Society for Microbiology

Institute of Biology (UK)

Society of American Foresters

American Academy of Pediatrics

American College of Preventive Medicine

American Medical Association

Australian Medical Association

World Federation of Public Health Associations

World Health Organization

American Astronomical Society

American Chemical Society

American Institute of Physics


Seriously, you would take the word of politicians over the words of these scientists concerning a scientific subject? 

[jock]

Files in question are here  http://www.mininova.org/tor/3170517

Deep virus and malware scan shows as clean. I'm going to have read and reserve judgement.

[Malthus Revisited]

Do the moronic deniers not even read these threads?  I mean really, how many times has it been shown that fossil fuel industries fund climate deniers?  And yet here's this Hogie guy who apparently believes that there's no monetary incentive or funding for scientists who are willing to reject climat change.  Do their eyes just glaze over every time they read a response to their ridiculous arguments?  Is it short term memory loss?

[Hogie2010]

Dude,

You don't have to rant here, I'm sure everyone at LATOC knows that growth and BAU is not sustainable.

Let's not forget about Peak Oil.  

[BigIg]

Cap and Trade is horse-shit crap. The polluters should be penalized at source.

[mtlouie]

Cap and Trade is horse-shit crap. The polluters should be penalized at source.

Should be.  But won't. 

[Matt Saveanerd]

the climate has been changing ever since the creation of evolution began.

[picasso moon]

http://www.desmogblog.com/climate-contrarians-spinning-hard-stolen-email-files
So much for the great global warming data manipulation scandal. This is bullshit, just as i suspected, and bullshit of course works quite well to attract shitheads who really need to believe that global warming is a hoax.

the climate has been changing ever since the creation of evolution began.

Horseshit, the point is that it's changing, but the fuckin rate of change. . That rate is unprecedented. You demiers just don't get it, or think other people don't get it.

[Malthus Revisited]

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/

More info there.

[Matt Saveanerd]

picasso moon, so what you are saying is that before modern man came along it was always changing at a slow constant rate.  never no abrupt changes.

[Autonomous Unit]

the climate has been changing ever since the creation of evolution began.

and extinctions, too. You want our species to join the extinct set?

[Matt Saveanerd]

autonomous unit, our extinction is inevitable and if someone here knows when that is could you also send me the winning lotto numbers.

[Hogie2010]

the climate has been changing ever since the creation of evolution began.

Climate change has never been the issue. The planet climate cycles are like a roller coaster, we have ice ages and warming periods.

The issue is are we in a period of global warming caused by man burning fossil fuels? When I first became peak oil aware I thought at least it solves the global warming problem. Remember this graph (http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/EnergyCurveHistory2.jpg) from Peak Oil 101 when the burning of fossil fuels over time spikes around the year 2000 and then goes back to nil? If we believe the burning of fossil fuels is the reason for the current global warming then us LATOC members know that we are at peak and this is only temporary.

IF man causes global warming it will correct when we pass peak oil and start burning less and less of the stuff.

See I debunked it and it doesn't even matter if it's true or not. 

Hogie2010