Global Warming takes a time out?

[dpwozney]

The graph posted in this thread, with the British Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate Change as a source, claims values for air temperature. The reliability of many near-surface air temperature measurements, and the validity of comparing many near-surface air temperature historical measurements, are in question. Anyways, the oceans have cooled since 2003, and the heat stored in the oceans far exceeds the heat stored in the atmosphere. 

O RLY?

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/EPAJSD_UHI.pdf
“The United States and Global Data Bases are Seriously Contaminated by urbanization for which NO ADJUSTMENTS are made.”

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/URBAN_HEAT_ISLAND.pdf
“It is not out of the realm of possibility that most of the twentieth century warming was urban heat islands.”

[dpwozney]

Second, the melting ice, as CLIMATE CHANGE scientists warned, is going to cool ocean temps in places....near northern Europe and the northern U.S., for example.   The TREND will be warmer. 

The Antarctic ice area has increased from 1979 to 2009. The Antarctic ice volume is about 90% of the world’s ice volume, according to Table 6.1 in Chapter 6 of the Earth Observing System (EOS) Science Plan (pdf).

[rbrgs]

It's warmer in Antarctica, so it's snowing more these days.

[txmudbug]

Anybody see this post from Denninger this morning?
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1648-Global-Warming-SCAM-HackLeak-FLASH.html

[gin]

GW for the vast majority is not due to humans whereas
the sun is master and chief.. we contribute a pittance

think about it.. if we took all the humans alive today and we stood chest to back
and shoulder to shoulder they would cover an area less than 22 miles by 22 miles

earth is leaving the 'Goldilocks Range' orbiting the sun and
yes, longer term(billions of years) it'll be unbearably hot

[Hendrek]

GW for the vast majority is not due to humans whereas
the sun is master and chief.. we contribute a pittance

think about it.. if we took all the humans alive today and we stood chest to back
and shoulder to shoulder they would cover an area less than 22 miles by 22 miles

earth is leaving the 'Goldilocks Range' orbiting the sun and
yes, longer term(billions of years) it'll be unbearably hot

To use Catton's phrase...

It may be 22x22 miles for homo sapiens, but for homo colossus it would be a LOT bigger.

[Hendrek]

Anybody see this post from Denninger this morning?
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1648-Global-Warming-SCAM-HackLeak-FLASH.html

Don't know about that...

But, it looks like Denninger may finally be on the path to sanity: http://market-ticker.org/archives/1641-Pollution-in-China-A-Must-Read.html

[highstreet]

The graph posted in this thread, with the British Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate Change as a source, claims values for air temperature. The reliability of many near-surface air temperature measurements, and the validity of comparing many near-surface air temperature historical measurements, are in question. Anyways, the oceans have cooled since 2003, and the heat stored in the oceans far exceeds the heat stored in the atmosphere. 

O RLY?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/15/science/earth/15brfs-OCEANTEMPERA_BRF.html

Ocean Temperatures Are Highest on Record

The NY Times article refers to average sea surface temperature, not to ocean heat content.

In “Cooling of the Global Ocean Since 2003”, Craig Loehle shows that the global ocean has been cooling since 2003 using data from the Argo array of profiling floats which measure subsurface temperatures.

This article makes the following points:

“Ocean temperatures can be measured adequately only by the Argo buoy network.
...
The Argo buoys have been operational only since the end of 2003.
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According to Argo temperature measurements, the world’s oceans have shown a slight cooling since Argo became operational in 2003. In sharp contrast to model predicted heat build-up.
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The Argo data contradict claims humans are causing rapid global warming, because ocean temperatures are not rising as fast as predicted by global warming alarmists.”

Good finds on the data

It always surprises me how much people who are sold on this idea already will ignore the data that doesn't fit their preconceived ideas.

[perdition79]

Anybody see this post from Denninger this morning?
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1648-Global-Warming-SCAM-HackLeak-FLASH.html

All that yummy data is available here:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/3168330

downloads around 900kbps, less than two minutes' time.

[Jonathan_Byron]

...

think about it.. if we took all the humans alive today and we stood chest to back
and shoulder to shoulder they would cover an area less than 22 miles by 22 miles

...

Ok, I thought about it. Your statistic is meaningless at best, and probably designed to be misleading.  To provide for each person, several acres of land are severely altered - to grow food, produce fiber, and dig up minerals.  Instead of giving people a 2 foot by 2 foot area to stand, you should be giving each 10 acres to live and muck up.

Maybe you should think about it this way: over millions of years, carbon was taken from the atmosphere and laid down in fossil fuels. In approximately 100 years, human activity released that carbon.  That is a significant disruption.   

[Malthus Revisited]

It always surprises me how much people who are sold on this idea already will ignore the data that doesn't fit their preconceived ideas.

That's funny, that's what I think every time you make a post. 

What I think would make for a fascinating study would be research into how it's possible that people who get peak oil don't get climate change.  They would seem almost part and parcel for me, but it blows my mind how often that is not the case.