Global Warming takes a time out?

[Chip Haynes]

Just saw this:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html

Not sure what to make of it. Too early to tell?

Or could Al Gore actually be (Dare I say it?) (Say it! Say it!) wrong?

 

[Megadoom]

Did you forget to post this? Does this indicate AGW is wrong? No, it does not and the article goes into it, but by whipping Al Gore out here in this post you're trying to start something.

AGW has nothing to do with Al Gore! 

....well, here we go again.

[Hendrek]

Do people still try to use the phrase global warming instead of global climate change?  It's a complex phenomenon, and it is almost astronomically unlikely that it will follow a linear behavior trend. 

[Megadoom]

Do people still try to use the phrase global warming instead of global climate change?  It's a complex phenomenon, and it is almost astronomically unlikely that it will follow a linear behavior trend. 

Climatologists never said it WOULD follow a linear behavior trend, natural variances always make it variable, and real life statistics are rarely in a straight line.

Read the whole article. The devil is in the details.

[mtlouie]

Well, you obviously didn't read my post this morning about one of our former LATOCers telling us on facebook that Australia has had more than twelve days so far this spring/summer (they are in our equivalent to May) above 113 degrees F.

The government's warning system now goes beyond EXTREME to CATASTROPHIC.

So make sure those Australians get a memo about global "cooling."  

Do people still try to use the phrase global warming instead of global climate change?  It's a complex phenomenon, and it is almost astronomically unlikely that it will follow a linear behavior trend. 

Climatologists never said it WOULD follow a linear behavior trend, natural variances always make it variable, and real life statistics are rarely in a straight line.

Read the whole article. The devil is in the details.

Not only that, but they've also said if the Atlantic conveyor shuts down, Northern Europe would be the new arctic. What the hell is it about people that they cannot understand the term CLIMATE CHANGE.

Which is exactly what most scientists called it from the beginning.  Somehow GLOBAL WARMING got tossed in there because the TREND was warmer.  It doesn't mean the entire planet will be.

[sc]

Gaia is shifting into the neo eocene...this is an "end holocene event"...

We will see overall global warming increase and it is going to be exponential.....Gaia operates on a punctuated equilibrium model...

The global temperature will surpass 10 degrees C within the century....all the current warming is decades old......the carbon sinks are slowing and the outgassing is increasing.......

Gaia is in the midest of a massive climate shift....the north atlantic conveyer shutdown is irrelevant at this point...by the time it stps the methane outgas event will be in full swing......

Canada/northern scandanavia and Russia is where humans will make their last stand.......a genetic bottleneck to surpass even the toba volcanic event will be unleashed on us monkeys.....

we will probably not survive as a species long term

[Malthus Revisited]

 So by this logic, since it's warmer in my town today than it was yesterday, winter is over!  Oh boy!

[picasso moon]

Well, my town is cooler than yesterday, we must be going into an ice age.

[dpwozney]

The graph posted in this thread, with the British Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate Change as a source, claims values for air temperature. The reliability of many near-surface air temperature measurements, and the validity of comparing many near-surface air temperature historical measurements, are in question. Anyways, the oceans have cooled since 2003, and the heat stored in the oceans far exceeds the heat stored in the atmosphere. 

[Malthus Revisited]

The graph posted in this thread, with the British Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate Change as a source, claims values for air temperature. The reliability of many near-surface air temperature measurements, and the validity of comparing many near-surface air temperature historical measurements, are in question. Anyways, the oceans have cooled since 2003, and the heat stored in the oceans far exceeds the heat stored in the atmosphere. 

O RLY?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/15/science/earth/15brfs-OCEANTEMPERA_BRF.html

Ocean Temperatures Are Highest on Record

I thought you said it was the mantle getting colder.  Or it just everything except Australia that's getting colder. 

[kenjamkov]

Open your eyes, this is all broadcast through MSM to nicely divide us on an issue we have no control over and nobody understands.  "Climate change" is being used as an excuse to control the middle class and will drain the whole World of what is left of our rights as human beings.  Don't waste your time arguing for or against the weather. 

Isn't it a nice coincidence that as resources become peaked that we have to scale back manufacturing and polluting the planet?  It was going to happen anyways, but hey, why don't we (TPTB) tax everyone and say we did it to save the planet?

Climate change, real or not, is just the weather.  Why are we fighting to stop something (CO2 emissions) that will stop after we peak in energy anyways?

[mtlouie]

Oh, there's nothing we can do about it for sure, for the very reasons Dr. Lovelock has stated.  It's too late.  And one reason we might want to be concerned about CO2 levels, is because of that pesky little thing called a double feedback loop.  Even if we stopped producing man-made CO2 today, there will be continuing effects of what we've done for years and year to come; hence the double feed-back loop.

Not that it matters.  We will stop producing man-made CO2, but not until AlGore and Lindsay Graham and all those other nit wits get the BUY GREEN! program ramped up.

Again, not that it matters one whit.

[PeakARoo]

It is 10pm here in Melbourne and the temperature is still around 80 deg F.

That was after a nice Spring day of 97 deg F (Not!)

Can someone please tell me when global warming will take time out. We cannot sleep in this heat. 

[dpwozney]

The graph posted in this thread, with the British Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate Change as a source, claims values for air temperature. The reliability of many near-surface air temperature measurements, and the validity of comparing many near-surface air temperature historical measurements, are in question. Anyways, the oceans have cooled since 2003, and the heat stored in the oceans far exceeds the heat stored in the atmosphere. 

O RLY?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/15/science/earth/15brfs-OCEANTEMPERA_BRF.html

Ocean Temperatures Are Highest on Record

The NY Times article refers to average sea surface temperature, not to ocean heat content.

In “Cooling of the Global Ocean Since 2003”, Craig Loehle shows that the global ocean has been cooling since 2003 using data from the Argo array of profiling floats which measure subsurface temperatures.

This article makes the following points:

“Ocean temperatures can be measured adequately only by the Argo buoy network.
...
The Argo buoys have been operational only since the end of 2003.
...
According to Argo temperature measurements, the world’s oceans have shown a slight cooling since Argo became operational in 2003. In sharp contrast to model predicted heat build-up.
...
The Argo data contradict claims humans are causing rapid global warming, because ocean temperatures are not rising as fast as predicted by global warming alarmists.”

[mtlouie]

The Argo data contradict claims humans are causing rapid global warming, because ocean temperatures are not rising as fast as predicted by global warming alarmists.”

I honestly cannot believe anyone would be stupid enough to say this.  First of all, nobody KNOWS what's going to happen and how this is going to play out.  Second, the melting ice, as CLIMATE CHANGE scientists warned, is going to cool ocean temps in places....near northern Europe and the northern U.S., for example.   The TREND will be warmer.  They predicted years ago that this could very well cause an ice cover in northern Europe and perhaps the north eastern U.S. because of the Atlantic conveyor shutting down due to melting ice from Greenland disrupting the salt water in the northern Atlantic.

CLIMATE CHANGE

CLIMATE CHANGE

CLIMATE CHANGE

And if you aren't noticing a difference in nature, it's because you are like MOST of the AGWers (if not all,) in that you sit INSIDE for most of the time you are alive.  You don't observe nature, and you don't observe the change of seasons and how different they are from even ten years ago. 


Again, not that it matters.  It's too late.