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« on: November 19, 2009, 09:53:41 AM »

details our continuing slide downwards

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US Economy is going to get much worse
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 at 06:42:00 AM PST

I think the economy is pretty darn awful, but with record profits on Wall Street and all the happy talk about a recovery from the recession (albeit a jobless recovery) it's confusing for many people as to what our economic future really holds.  Well, here's relevant statistic that sums it up nicely, one that shows the so-called recovery is mostly a smoke and mirrors vaudeville magician's act by the same people who either got us into this fine mess in the first place, or enabled the ones who did.  Take a peek at this excerpt from Inner Workings David Goldman's blog at Asia Times:

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    This morning’s news that housing starts "unexpectedly" dropped by 11 percent month on month is consistent with my grim view of the American economy. The crystal-meth monetary policy at the Fed makes everyone feel better, until they don’t. The nonstop rise in the price of dollar hedges tells us that it can’t last forever. Large balance sheets attached to the Fed’s money pump can show profits, and the price of spread assets (as PIMCO’s Bill Gross keeps emphasizing) is stupid rich. But at the capillary level, through, the economy is dying and gangrene is setting in.

    Here’s year on year growth in commercial and industrial loans from weekly reporting banks in the US:

    [Attached chart shows 20% decline in commercial and industrial loans in the past 12 months]

A TWENTY PERCENT decline in commercial and industrial loans?  That's not a recovery, it's a fricking catastrophic collapse in the fundamental underpinnings of our economy.  It's Wall Street sucking Main Street and Government dry, grabbing all the cash while they can.  Not surprisingly they are using that cash pump from the Federal Reserve to drive up commodities prices.  What does that tell you?

It tells me things are about to get much, much worse, and no one in Washington has a clue what to do. It's, and let's be honest, the worst economic performance since the Great Depression.  Jobs that created the foundation of our economic growth in the 20th Century have flat disappeared, as Nouriel Roubini (you know, the economist whose predictions were right all along while the Friedman disciples like Alan Greenspan fiddled as the US economy burned to the ground) makes clear.

    While America's official unemployment rate is already 10.2 per cent, the figure jumps to a whopping 17.5 per cent when discouraged workers and partially employed workers are included. And, while data from firms suggest that job losses in the past three months were about 600,000, household surveys, which include self-employed workers and small entrepreneurs, suggest a number above two million.

    Moreover, the total effect on labour income – the product of jobs times hours worked times average hourly wages – has been more severe than that implied by the job losses alone, because many firms are cutting their workers' hours, placing them on furlough or lowering their wages as a way to share the pain.

    Many of the lost jobs – in construction, finance, and outsourced manufacturing and services – are gone forever, and recent studies suggest that a quarter of U.S. jobs can be fully outsourced over time to other countries. Thus, a growing proportion of the work force – often below the radar screen of official statistics – is losing hope of finding gainful employment, while the unemployment rate (especially for poor, unskilled workers) will remain high for a much longer period of time than in previous recessions. [...]

    [T]he credit crunch for non-investment-grade firms and smaller firms, which rely mostly on access to bank loans rather than capital markets, is still severe.

    Or consider bankruptcies and defaults by households and firms. Larger firms – even those with large debt problems – can refinance their excessive liabilities in or out of court, but an unprecedented number of small businesses are going bankrupt. The same holds for households, with millions of weaker and poorer borrowers defaulting on mortgages, credit cards, auto loans, student loans and other consumer credit.

    Consider also what is happening to private consumption and retail sales. Recent monthly figures suggest a rise in retail sales. But, because the official statistics capture mostly sales by larger retailers and exclude the fall by hundreds of thousands of smaller stores and businesses that have failed, consumption looks better than it really is.  [...]

    Moreover, income and wealth inequality is rising again. Poorer households are at greater risk of unemployment, falling wages or reductions in hours worked, all leading to lower labour income, whereas on Wall Street, outrageous bonuses have returned with a vengeance. With the stock market rising and home prices still falling, the wealthy are becoming richer, while the middle class and the poor – whose main wealth is a house rather than equities – are becoming poorer and being saddled with an unsustainable debt burden.

    So, while the United States may technically be close to the end of a severe recession, most of America is facing a near-depression. Little wonder, then, that few Americans believe that what walks like a duck and quacks like a duck is actually the phoenix of recovery.

 

The Tea Baggers and their talk of a tax revolt and railing against the mythical socialist takeover of America by the Obama administration isn't the problem.

 

The problem is that we've been scammed by Wall Street financial firms (the megalithic survivors) into juicing their balance sheets while getting less than zero in return for our billions of dollars of bailout expenditures by the Fed and Congress and trillions more for Federal guarantees of Wall Street's toxic junk financial derivatives.

In short, our investment of tax dollars in an essentially opaque, unregulated, subsidized and protected financial sector is proving to be a very, very bad bet for the future of any real economic recovery for the vast majority of Americans who don't work for Goldman Sachs and their ilk.  This isn't a rational free market by anyone's definition.  It's a con game, one that Obama's economic team has been more than willing to ignore in the interest of helping their friends, even if that means unacceptably high unemployment and lower investment in the real drivers of our economy -- small businesses, workers and manufacturing.

And unless we see a sea change in the economic strategies being pursued by the Obama administration, any talk of a fundamental political realignment in which Democrats benefit from a generational shift in political power is as much a pipe dream as Karl Rove's plan for a one party Republican state.  Indeed, if  Democrats in the Executive Branch and in Congress continue to ignore the fundamental changes in economic policy necessary to reverse our present course, the likelihood of something far sinister, a fascist or neo-fascist movement or a coup by a right wing military junta is not out of the question.  Because when democratic civil governments becomes unable or unwilling to address fundamental issues of economic security they can lose their legitimacy literally overnight. 

Just look at the history of the Weimar Republic, or Italy after WWI, if you want an object lesson in democratic governments that failed because their political leaders, operating within a weak, corrupted and gridlocked systems, were more concerned about their political careers and futures than addressing the critical economic issues that had spread misery and despair among millions of their constituents.

Without FDR, America might have gone down that same road to tyranny and dictatorship that bedeviled so many nations in the 20th Century, where income inequality led to ideologically rigid, dictatorial regimes on both the left and the right.  The common factor in each instance was massive income inequality and the willingness  of demagogues and elites to take advantage of the inability of weak central governments to correct that fundamental flaw to the development of stable economies that gave most, if not of all their citizens, a comfortable middle class life style.  That was the true reason why America was so successful following WWII: the tremendous growth of our middle class, which fueled the greatest economic engine of the last century.<p<>

Well, now we have reversed the course that made us great, which insured our power and stability.  We are flirting with an economic collapse which will lead to a political nightmare, unless we radically change the way business is done "Inside the Beltway."  That was the platform on which Democrats ran last year.  So far they have failed to live up to the promises of fundamental change that they made to the American Public, and that failure if it continues will hurt not only their electoral future in 2010 and beyond.  It will also spread misery and social unrest across America on a scale we have not witnessed in generations.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/19/805960/-US-Economy-is-going-to-get-much-worse
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 10:06:10 AM »

Nice article but far TOO kind in the representation of government as standing aside letting this happen and not instead pushing it to happen intentionally. I think the social unrest, when it happens, will be amazing and if not contained, something horrible. Unfortunately, the unrest will be near their homes and businesses rather than be directed at the places it belongs, who can safetly escape to one of many areas that are well protected by the police force.

The president cant change this course without coming up with a whole lot of dead coming at him from these powers in charge...perhaps they are to be feared more than the middle and lower class populations who will only destroy their own neighborhoods in protest.
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 10:54:42 AM »

Excellent article.  I believe the author is spot-on.  The Weimar parallels are truly chilling.  That doesn't mean history will repeat, but it could rhyme...

Thanks for posting.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 11:02:43 AM »

That article rocked!
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2009, 12:41:00 PM »

Funny how liberal websites like Daily Kos freely criticize Obama (and justificably so), while most conservative websites never took Chimpy's dick out of their asses.   Cheesy

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 01:03:01 PM »

This article outlines EXACTLY what The Globalist PTB are trying to bring about. Basically a Fascist police state in the USA and they are well on their way. This is the gameplan.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2009, 01:25:20 PM »

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Nice article but far TOO kind in the representation of government as standing aside letting this happen and not instead pushing it to happen intentionally.
Exactly! Be it present government or FDR (as if his administration didn't lay down the foundations and structures of the global economy which created the situation the writer laments). The intention i see is the enrichment of the elite and the accumulation of capital, not a collapse, though the first inevitably leads to the second.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2009, 01:38:26 PM »

Funny how liberal websites like Daily Kos freely criticize Obama (and justificably so), while most conservative websites never took Chimpy's dick out of their asses.   Cheesy


You've got a point, but there's plenty of comments under the post from Obamite Diehards decrying the author for ignoring all the positive "Leading Economic Indicators" out there.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2009, 01:40:17 PM »

That's a good article in that is gives many reasons the official statistics are so screwed up.
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2009, 06:55:51 PM »

Damn.  I probably should have taken a shot of something stiff to take the edge off of that article.  Nothing new, but unbelievably frightening nonetheless.

Further down the spiral we go...
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2009, 07:19:31 PM »

Funny how liberal websites like Daily Kos freely criticize Obama (and justificably so), while most conservative websites never took Chimpy's dick out of their asses.   Cheesy


You've got a point, but there's plenty of comments under the post from Obamite Diehards decrying the author for ignoring all the positive "Leading Economic Indicators" out there.  Roll Eyes

Oh sure, there is still plenty of delusion left on the left.  But at least they all don't run around screaming, "Ditto!"   Tongue
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2009, 09:44:12 PM »

It's a con game, one that Obama's economic team has been more than willing to ignore in the interest of helping their friends, even if that means unacceptably high unemployment and lower investment in the real drivers of our economy -- small businesses, workers and manufacturing.

+1, DomScott and Picasso.  They aren't "ignoring" things, they are active participants.  It's a revolving door...one second you're on the team, then you're an alumni, then you're back on the team.....in other words, from the company, to washington, back to the company....

That was the true reason why America was so successful following WWII: the tremendous growth of our middle class, which fueled the greatest economic engine of the last century.

No.  The reason we were so successful after WW2 is because we were the only industrial nation that wasn't bombed into the stoneage.  We spent our post-war years making things for the rest of the world that was simply trying to get things back to how they were before being bombed flat.



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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2009, 10:02:18 PM »

No.  The reason we were so successful after WW2 is because we were the only industrial nation that wasn't bombed into the stoneage.  We spent our post-war years making things for the rest of the world that was simply trying to get things back to how they were before being bombed flat.

Family and friends look at me like I told them their baby is ugly, when I point this out.  You can almost see them forming the response - "But, but, but America is great because of our _______(fill in the blank - system, people, "can do attitude").  Bull shit.  America became a great power because of geography.  Our forefathers found a great piece of real estate and literally shot the former owners to take it.  We then sit all comfy and secure and brag about our "might" when our real strength rests in the two oceans that (for the most part) keep all would be enemies at arms length. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2009, 10:06:54 PM »

No.  The reason we were so successful after WW2 is because we were the only industrial nation that wasn't bombed into the stoneage.  We spent our post-war years making things for the rest of the world that was simply trying to get things back to how they were before being bombed flat.

No offense intended, but you're on a peak oil forum and you think that's the real reason? No, sorry.

We were virtually swimming in oil. We were pumping around 7% more oil each year and it was cheap as hell.  In my youth in the 60's, I remember gasoline as cheap as 16 cents a gallon. That injection of nearly free energy is what made us the economic powerhouse we were back then, and was the engine that enabled the rise of the middle class. Europe and Japan were rapidly rebuilt with our excess oil production. Everything was coming up roses for us until the sixties when we needed to start importing some of our oil use, and then we peaked in 1970 and it's been downhill ever since.

Energy flows are very important for an organism and for a society. When the energy is free and easy, they grow. When the energy flow becomes constrained and harder to get, they start to collapse. This is the gist of Tainter's "Collapse of Complex Societies", which though dry and academic, is a very important book to read and understand. When we had excess cheap energy, we thrived. Now that energy is becoming more costly, we're beginning to collapse.

It's really just that simple. It's happened to numerous civilizations in history, and now it's happening to us and by "us" I mean the whole world this time.  
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2009, 10:19:52 PM »

It's a con game, one that Obama's economic team has been more than willing to ignore in the interest of helping their friends, even if that means unacceptably high unemployment and lower investment in the real drivers of our economy -- small businesses, workers and manufacturing.

+1, DomScott and Picasso.  They aren't "ignoring" things, they are active participants.  It's a revolving door...one second you're on the team, then you're an alumni, then you're back on the team.....in other words, from the company, to washington, back to the company....

That was the true reason why America was so successful following WWII: the tremendous growth of our middle class, which fueled the greatest economic engine of the last century.

No.  The reason we were so successful after WW2 is because we were the only industrial nation that wasn't bombed into the stoneage.  We spent our post-war years making things for the rest of the world that was simply trying to get things back to how they were before being bombed flat.

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