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Emeline
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« on: November 03, 2009, 09:49:45 PM »

I live on the same property as my father who is 77, houses quite close to each other.  He's just had two knee replacements and been in hospital for over 2 months because of complications.  He doesn't keep the greatest of health and earlier in the year he broke his arm in a fall.  I have a lot to do here and spend quite a bit of time also looking after him each day which gets difficult for me sometimes as I still have my own health and disability problems - on really bad days I sometimes need to use a wheelchair.  Add to that the fact my father has often been and often can still be a difficult man and well - you get the picture.

A few weeks ago his doctor arranged for him to get some outside help as well with housework and shopping, two and a half hours a week.  Ours is a small town, 700 population in all including the village and surrounding farms.  Our family has been here since 1858 and once upon a time everyone knew each other.  They'd known each other's families for generations.  The important thing about that is we all knew we could TRUST each other.  We just assumed everyone else was honest and trustworthy because that was how it was.   Now there are more strangers in town, people we don't know from Adam.  We now have 3 drug dealers in the town.  I can hardly freaking believe it.  Only a few years ago they probably would have been shunned, but it seems these days they're almost (almost) respectable in some quarters. 

Anyway to the drama, my father's home help arrived a week ago and she seemed okay.  I didn't know anything about her.  Once she'd been to his place the first time and people knew,  they told me she was the wife of one of the local drug dealers - he runs one of the "tinny houses".  Well, I wasn't too happy about it but then I thought, take her at face value, give her a chance, maybe she isn't like her husband.  I've never met her husband but one of the neighbouring farmers says he knows for a fact he stole a $1600 motor off the back of his pickup.  He never complained to the Police though because he says, "he's a badass, best to let sleeping dogs lie".

So - today - the wife (Rebecca) was there again when I went over to my father's house.  I'd recently been to some auctions where I'd purchased some large lots of brand new linen which was made in the 60's and some lovely antique china.  Last week Rebecca asked me if she could borrow some money for petrol so I gave her $10.  I don't know why.  It just comes naturally to me to help people out like that.  The funny thing is though my father said, "she has no petrol money but that car she is driving is worth about $35,000".  I thought, oh well, maybe they are struggling to make the payments on the car and their new house (asset rich, cash poor kinda thing). 

So....when I walked in to my Dad's house Rebecca began to wax lyrical about the beautiful old linen which was made in the 60's but still in it's wrappers.   She began to tell me how her grandchildren needed new sheets but their family couldn't afford it, and how marvellous all these new sets of sheets were.  I had 8 sets from this auction - georgous stuff.  So I began to feel sorry for her and you know, the poor grandchildren.  She said she was going to try to give them some nice sheets for Christmas although she thought they wouldn't be very happy getting sheets.  She said, "oh lord I'd be over the moon if I could get some linen like this for them". 

We're not rich but we're not poor and materially we have quite a lot, especially from my trading and bargain hunting so I thought - yeah, goddamn, I have all this spare linen, most of which I was only going to re-sell at a profit,  so I let her have  4 new single sheets and 4 pillowcases, beautiful embroidered stuff.  She seemed so happy.  Then I thought dammit, those poor children, I'll let her have some other stuff.  So I gave her two antique trinket boxes filled with jewellery for her granddaughters for Christmas.  She was over the moon and I felt good making her happy and thinking how happy it would make the children.

Anyway, meantime my father handed me $40 out of his wallet which he owed me,  which he left on the table.    I didn't pick it up right away because I went up to another room to do some work.  I came back 10 minutes later and the money wasn't there.  I said to my father "where's that money gone to?" and he said, "it's still on the table".  I said, "no it isn't".  I just assumed he had put it away or it had fallen to the floor - something like that.  So I began to look for it.  Rebecca had left just a few minutes before.  I searched high and low.  I even moved all the furniture.  I looked in every imaginable and unimaginable place it could be.  No sign of the money.  Meantime I am starting to think, "man, surely she wouldn't have taken that money".

This morning she had gone and done some shopping for my father.  I knew how much cash he had given her because I watched him do it.  The change was $20 short.  I checked it over several times.  I'm certain it was $20 short. 

That meant there were now 3 x $20 notes missing.  If it had just been ONE thing maybe I'd have let it go, but now there are TWO lots of money missing and she had ready access to them both.  My father rang her and said "there's $60 missing from my house and we can't find it anywhere".  He said she acted shocked and said, no, she hadn't seen it and acted all innocent, although he said she sounded a little "smooth".

By now I'd turned the house upside down even more.   I even took the vacuum cleaner apart.  Accusing someone of dishonesty is not something I like to do.   But the money was gone and I have no idea how unless she took it.  She was the one who had had obvious opportunities to help herself to both.

My father said, let it go, I'll watch her more closely next week.  The trouble I had with that is I know she goes to 4 other elderly people in the district every week.  One is in his 90's and blind.  They're all what I would call "vulnerable people" even though a couple of them are very wealthy.  They're good people.  I've known the gentleman now in his 90's all my life and he's such a good man.  It was screwing me up inside thinking, "if she ripped my father off so shamelessly what is she doing to Mr A and the other old folk?".  I'd also heard a whisper through the week from a relative of one of them who had joked that during the time Rebecca was at his place he said she acted like she was "casing the joint".

So - I rang Rebecca's employer and asked for a manager.  Believe me, it didn't give me the least bit of pleasure.  I hated having to do this.  I asked if they did background checks and criminal checks on their employees.  She said they did and ran Police checks on them all.  She said Rebecca was "cleared" although I thought she sounded kind of vague about it.  I said, "According to the locals her husband is a drug dealer".  She seemed surprised by that.  She said she would put a note on the file that Rebecca wasn't to come to my father's house any more and she is sending out a manager in the next few days to do an investigation (fill in some forms).  She said, "if you feel you need to complain to the Police as well we will understand that" and how they take these complaints very seriously, nada, nada, nada.

I haven't complained to the Police.  My father is kind of supportive of me making a complaint but at the same time he is worried about the ramifications.  I said we had to, what about all the other elderly people she is going to?   If this woman is dishonest and from what I can see I am sure she is, someone has to make a stand.  My father thinks someone else should take it, hahaha.

Well I do see his point.  He is in no positition to defend himself.    We have good fences, locked gates etc but I doubt they would stop a fit and determined person.  I can't even lock my own house which is about 50 metres from his.  I lost the key to the ranchslider and haven't worked out how I can get a replacement.  We do have 7 large to medium sized dogs.  That is some comfort.  My father used to have a rifle but he gave it away to a friend a few years ago. 

But even if we don't go to the Police (which I am undecided about) she is going to know I complained to her employer.  I know we don't have a chance if her drug dealer husband and assorted other thugs decide to take some kind of retribution.   Obviously I could call the Police but since we live in a fairly isolated rural area, it would take them a while to get here, probably at least 45 minutes outside normal working hours.  During the day there are 3 policeman in a town 5 miles away but they're only there 8 - 5 as I understand it.  After hours calls go to the city.

I'm a little nervous.  I really don't know what the heck to do.  I just still believe I had to act to protect others, but I'm kinda worried about the fallout.
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 09:55:51 PM »

Tough situation.  What's done is done, and you did the right thing to make the agency aware, after giving the woman a chance to deal with it privately first.

Could you contact some of the other elderly folks this Rebecca has been "helping out" and give them a quiet, friendly warning?
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 10:45:15 PM »

If it is common knowledge that there are three drug dealers in town, why the heck hasn't someone informed the police of THAT?  And if Rebecca is the wife of one of them, I doubt there will be any retribution to your complaining.  If their drug business is at all substantial, they would not risk being outed for a bit of property damage or harassment levied on you in revenge.  If they were to take action against you/your Father, certainly you would (or at least they might assume) retaliate with the drug accusation.
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 11:55:05 PM »

Lord, Emeline.  What a quandry.  I hope you have protection.  Big, mean dogs or something.

I honestly don't know if calling the police would help.  If they are pretty much doing their thing unimpeded, and seem to be "in" in some circles, it probably means people you know are using.  People you wouldn't think would be.

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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2009, 12:45:28 AM »

do you trust your neighbours?

If you do, could you have a quiet word with them too? - extra sets of eyes would be handy, and knowing that you could give them a call if you were worried would probably help ease your mind.

I agree with Armagoof - you would imagine that they would be keen to stay under the radar if the husband is dealing. but do be wary, and let the neighbours know, incase they see something or someone where they shouldn't be.

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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2009, 08:23:49 AM »

Change all the house locks.  From what I understand, it doesn't take long for an experienced thief to make a key imprint when your back is turned and then go have a duplicate made.  You just don't want to take that risk. 

I think you did the right thing.  I'm sorry this happened to you, but thanks for sharing it - it's a good lesson for all of us.   This sort of thing will only get more prevalent in the future, I'm afraid. 

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2009, 09:43:58 AM »

Sorry for the situation you're in.  I agree with the poster who suggested that you change the locks on the doors immediately.  If you can quietly let the other people you know she's working at of your suspicions, they can make their own decisions about how to proceed.  I wouldn't bother with the police as based on your description of events, there's simply no way to "prove" that she took the money.  Good luck.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 12:20:49 PM »

no wonder she drives a $35K car, soundsl ike she is from a family of thieves.

forget camera, forget neighbors watching etc.... its useless.

my wife's uncle is a cotton farmer and he trusts nobody. if they steal from you once they shall do it again as long as they are aroound.

i would get rid of here asap. its not worth it and you can just as well hire someone through an ad who may be more honest.

 
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 03:30:52 PM »

We now have 3 drug dealers in the town.  I can hardly freaking believe it.  Only a few years ago they probably would have been shunned, but it seems these days they're almost (almost) respectable in some quarters.
Considering the state of the world economies, the influx of strangers (most likely migrant workers) shouldn't seem too out of the norm.  Folks need to make a living and a lot of them are traveling to find work.  I'm sure those drug dealers were regular joes at one point in time who simply can't make it legally anymore.  Not all criminal elements are composed of violent or deplorable individuals.

With that said, I'm sorry to hear about your father getting ripped off by this shyster whore.  Sad
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2009, 03:50:25 PM »

You should just get real happy that the loss is small in the grand scheme of things... and stop thinking of your unproven fellow man as anything but shit.

She's out, she's gone, you're done with it. Don't let in another unknown person into your world. Get yourself a cheap .22 rifle and go through a couple thousand rounds of ammo. You'll feel different.
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 03:57:36 PM »

Change the locks.
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 04:04:24 PM »

never leave cash lying around the house.. especially when a 'stranger/s' have access to the house Grin a it just causes problems..
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2009, 04:31:14 PM »

Many thanks shamaness, Armagoof, lou, chickengirl, dc62, cygnus, john, Vagabones, simba, MEA and gin for your input.  You're all right and all duly noted.

Last night Rebecca rang and she sounded very upset on the phone.    She said she was distraught by what had happened, was crying etc and could she come around.  I didn't really want her to but I said okay.  Then she came around and offered to help me look for the money.  I let her (that was probably dumb).  I almost half expected her to plant it somewhere and go look here it is, because frankly, I get the feeling I am being played. 

Because of previous personal/professional experience I KNOW very well what sociopaths are like, how they can turn on the waterworks, lie and look you in the eye, feign complete innocence, try to manipulate people's emotions etc and my instincts are telling me she's a "pro" as in pro conwoman.   Anyway she didn't find it or plant it and then she cried some more and told me how she was the most honest person on the whole planet, how upset she was etc.  All the time she was also saying "I can understand how you think I took the money.  I can see your point of view". 

Then she said she would repay the missing money.  I said to her, "actually the money isn't the main issue, it's whether I can believe you are honest and trustworthy" at which point she cried again and told me over and over she was as honest and decent as the Angel Gabriel himself.


Anyway - I don't know whether to kick myself for this or not - but I began to think, well sheesh, maybe I should just give her the benefit of the doubt.  I said, "okay, I'm going to believe you and ring your employer and say the money is still missing, but I am prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't take it".

Then she said, "Oh, have you rung my employer?" as if she was shocked.  She caught herself out there in the lie because they'd already rung me earlier to tell me they had rung Rebecca and told her not to come here and do any more work at my father's place, so right at that moment she blatantly lied.

So...I'm sitting here this morning, thinking the money is still missing and I don't actually believe she didn't take it - I think she did.  BUT I have no direct evidence she did, so do I give her the benefit of the doubt?  I'm sitting here agonising about whether to proceed with ringing her employer and withdraw my complaint or letting it proceed.

Damn, I don't know what the hell to do.  Embarrassed


And I should be planting beans.......
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2009, 04:35:42 PM »

Look, I can tell you are trying to be a kind, decent person, but she's had several sets of sheets off you, as well as some other things, perhaps taken the money, lied to you, and is trying to worm her way back into the house. You may not have seen the money go into her pocket, but where else could it have gone?

You have to cut your losses -- she has to go -- and if you feel like a right bitch for doing it, live with it. You have your father and yourself to think of. 

I realize I sound very harsh, but she could well be the thin end of the wedge as far as getting you and your dad into something very nasty.
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2009, 04:51:11 PM »

Emeline, you are right, you don't know much about her for sure at this point.  But rather than use that as evidence that your judgement is hasty, let's look at what you DO know for sure about this gal in the short time she's been around:

1.  She's a shameless begger - she guilted you into giving her stuff (gas money, sheets, jewelry, trinkets)
2.  Her husband has a very bad reputation with more than one person in town as a possible drug dealer and a thief. 
3.  Money started disappearing regularly once she came on the scene, where it hadn't before.
4.  You've caught her in at least one lie (about whether she knew you had rung her employer.)

Like you said, sociopaths can look you right in the eyes and lie to you, and swear on all that is holy that they aren't doing you wrong - and then steal from you and lie to you again the minute your back is turned.  They do not experience guilt or remorse like normal people do - but they can put on a good show when they need to.  They also learn from a young age to exploit those who DO feel guilt and remorse - and they do it like a fish swims in the water.   Taking power from people with lies and drama is when they are in their natural element.  They also use a technique called cognitive dissonance to confuse their victims and make them doubt their own eyes, ears and good judgement. 

I would say do not call her employer and take back your suspicions.  They need to be on guard with her.  And do not let her back into your father's home.  She's bad news, and each time she is there, you are risking more loss and more confusion. 

good luck
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