Times Up

[Satori]

review of the book TIMES UP

I especially like the "tools of disconnection"

anybody read this yet??



“In short, we are prepared to die in order to live a life that is killing us.”
–Keith Farnish from Time’s Up: An Uncivilized Solution to A Global Crisis


http://www.amazon.com/Times-Up-Uncivilized-Solution-Global/dp/190032248X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257109849&sr=8-2

[Macs UK]

No, not read it... but I think I might. Looks very interesting from the reviews, and if Orlov thinks it's useful it's probably worth putting on my Xmas list 

Thanks for the heads up, Satori 

[kathyprepper]

I'm about half way through. It is very good. He has a nice, accessible writing style but a lot of the material is very dense. It is not something you can skim. I would consider it a must read. This guy has done his research and it's terrifying stuff. I am always amazed that someone can be so well informed and still decide to have kids. Don't misunderstand. I have 7 of the little dears myself (most adopted) and I love parenting but if I had know then what I know now, I might well have chosen not to bring more children into the world. I would have only parented by adoption.

The author is a philosopher as well an environmental writer which adds a different perspective to the issues of wealth and degradation.

[hillwalker]

I'm about half way through. It is very good. He has a nice, accessible writing style but a lot of the material is very dense. It is not something you can skim. I would consider it a must read. This guy has done his research and it's terrifying stuff. I am always amazed that someone can be so well informed and still decide to have kids. Don't misunderstand. I have 7 of the little dears myself (most adopted) and I love parenting but if I had know then what I know now, I might well have chosen not to bring more children into the world. I would have only parented by adoption.

The author is a philosopher as well an environmental writer which adds a different perspective to the issues of wealth and degradation.

I have no kids. She does, but not me. Works out pretty well. Good on ya for your taking all them folks under wing. I get why (some) folks bring other folks in. Overshoot is a given, no argument. I know a few parents who get that. But, the world is packed full, overfull in fact, with folks that no one wanted, no one cares for and they are loosed across the land, leaving destitution in their paths. If there is hope, the hope lies -for the most part- in folks who were wanted, were cared for, who walk gently upon this land, leaving it a better place than
they found it. So, in this sense, and in these cases, each child was another chance to get it right.

[kathyprepper]

I just finished it. Amazing and radical (well, not for latocers but for the rest of the world). I am sitting here regretting a couple of recent purchases. I find one thing disheartening and I take no pride in admitting this. I am pretty well-informed and I take the environmental stuff seriously but yesterday was my daughter's birthday and I got her a dolly dress that she wanted without checking its country of origin. It was China, of course. I also bought some cups and paper plates for her party because she so wanted them. I justified the purchase by saying that I buy so much less than most parents and my kid rarely asks for anything and this is the only birthday party I have ever given her (we usually just do a family party) but the truth of it is that when the rubber met the road, I did not stand up for my convictions. I need to get a lot tougher with myself. Now if I struggle with this and still make mistakes, what are the odds that folks who never read and are disconnected from reality in the blue haze of television and advertising are going to make radical change? Zilch.

[mtlouie]

Every time this thread comes up and I read, "Times Up," I think of that line in 'Independence Day.' 

Very unnerving.

[Macs UK]

Kathy - don't beat yourself up so much... from your other posts I know there's a lot you do does make a difference - I know it's a lot harder weaning the kids off 'the machine' .... day by day work towards the point that TV doesn't feature in their lives.... oh, god, I know that's HARD, but you'll get there one day...

[kathyprepper]

Thanky you. That is a such a kind thing to say. We all do the best we can I guess.

[Macs UK]

We can but try - it's very hard to steer the next generation, but we have to rejoice in small victories - one for me was having my step-daughter's class coming out to see our pigs and learning why we had them - of course, these were the same kids that came to the swimming party at birthday time... Who can tell which will influence them most as the years roll by? We had to learn stuff that's not in the school books... so will they.