Business: The New Liberal Art

[Patchze]

What the fuck is this shit?  ->  http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/oct2009/bs20091022_146227.htm?campaign_id=bschools_related

[HawtFrog]

 

[Harcken]

Everything is about business and money. It isn't as if higher education hasn't been about money for a long time anyway.

Why does one go to college? In the present day, in order to land a high-paying job. Learning for learning's sake? Learning to become wise? To make a better world? Forget it.

The value of education has been reduced to the value of money. Like so many other systems, the higher education system needs to collapse.

[HawtFrog]

The value of education has been reduced to the value of money. Like so many other systems, the higher education system needs to collapse.

Can it collapse after I get my associates degree? (which is totally and utterly worthless, so says one of my teachers) 

[Harcken]

The value of education has been reduced to the value of money. Like so many other systems, the higher education system needs to collapse.

Can it collapse after I get my associates degree? (which is totally and utterly worthless, so says one of my teachers) 

Consider yourself lucky that you only got a useless two year degree instead of a useless four year degree. 

[HawtFrog]

The value of education has been reduced to the value of money. Like so many other systems, the higher education system needs to collapse.

Can it collapse after I get my associates degree? (which is totally and utterly worthless, so says one of my teachers) 

Consider yourself lucky that you only got a useless two year degree instead of a useless four year degree. 

Awww, c'mon Harcken! You gotta give us undergrads some hope in the system. There has to be some logical explanation for making us go into debt 

[Harcken]

The value of education has been reduced to the value of money. Like so many other systems, the higher education system needs to collapse.

Can it collapse after I get my associates degree? (which is totally and utterly worthless, so says one of my teachers) 

Consider yourself lucky that you only got a useless two year degree instead of a useless four year degree. 

Awww, c'mon Harcken! You gotta give us undergrads some hope in the system. There has to be some logical explanation for making us go into debt 

Well, the debt slaves have to come from somewhere...

[Unconventional Ideas]

They become corporate teamplayers, stiffs, drones, etc.

I can think of few majors more useless in the world in which we find ourselves, and what promises to be ahead.

Pathetic that parents don't give their kids better guidance.

[Katz]

Everything is about business and money. It isn't as if higher education hasn't been about money for a long time anyway.

Why does one go to college? In the present day, in order to land a high-paying job. Learning for learning's sake? Learning to become wise? To make a better world? Forget it.

The value of education has been reduced to the value of money. Like so many other systems, the higher education system needs to collapse.

Some people do go to college to get wise, these are the individuals that go to grad schools and spend their days reading everything they can get their hands into. Just because the majority fail to do so doesnt mean they are not out there.

I've been in academia for 10 years  now . I'm a little encyclopedia in physics, trying to diversify to engineering and to engage in industry. I want to do, not just to teach.

[Harcken]

The people who do try to become wise and knowledgable in university studies are probably the people who get penalized the most. If we had a meritocracy, we could allow the most intelligent, wise, capable people to deal with the important things. But we're continually given the message that formal education matters and self education matters little in comparison.
Just another reason the system needs to collapse...

[Unconventional Ideas]

I haven't met a McMansion dweller who doesn't try to put on the impression that his kid is a genius.

He's a genius because he's majoring in supply chain management, or outdoor recreation management, or business communications.

Those are the new "liberal arts," or the pursuits the "smart" people follow.

What a joke.

Yes, the system needs to collapse, and people need to actually work for a living, doing useful stuff again.

[Librarian]

university is funny that way.

originally, the only *real* majors were Philosophy and Latin and shit like that. of course, the students in question would never need those things to "earn" their way in the world, they were set to inherit land and political power. they needed to learn those things in the same way they learned manners, or how to dress, or how to be snooty to the butler.

fast forward and...what really has changed?

still, there are a lot of cool things out there you can study, and some of them are useful, not just to make money. i hope that some things the students learn today may help salvage the world--the original liberal arts, sciences and tech, and so on. we'll see.

just watch the damn debt, that's the soul killer. absolute scam, that is.

and, anyway, maybe the financial system will indeed collapse enough, or enough  in the right ways, to erase some of that debt that the students graduating now have wracked up. i hope so at least. it panics me to hear what some of my students already owe. but i don't want to scare them too much, you know? they're stuck with it now anyway.

don't hate your parents over it too much, really, they just bought into what they were sold and usually simply did not know any better. i know mine didn't understand. and now they are afraid to admit the mistake even if they DO see it, because what does that mean to them then? yeah...may as well try to debate someone out of believing in their god. so you sold your own children into debt for what?

i have a lot of faith in the kids today. when it is time for us all to step up and deal, those of us who can, i think a lot of them will really surprise the old folks.

system is fucked. it will change because it has to, at some point, we just don't know when.

"business" as a profession...as a study...really? that always did make me laugh, i have to say.

[Unconventional Ideas]

It's by Charles D. Hayes.  "September University" is not a place.   Actually, according to Hayes, it's a call to action to the Baby Boomers to rise up, commit to a serious quest for learning, and be transmitters of wisdom to younger generations.

While this doesn't directly apply to younger people in this forum, I think the idea of a university without the brick and mortar. is something that will become more understood in the future.

[boiler_92]

Everything is about business and money. It isn't as if higher education hasn't been about money for a long time anyway.

Why does one go to college? In the present day, in order to land a high-paying job. Learning for learning's sake? Learning to become wise? To make a better world? Forget it.

The value of education has been reduced to the value of money. Like so many other systems, the higher education system needs to collapse.

I work at the University of Virginia, which was founded by Thomas Jefferson.  He had the notion that this would be a place where people (men, of course, rich white men) would come and they would study and learn and be academic and so forth, and then after they had filled their brain up sufficiently they would leave.  No degrees were to be issued.  This was to be pure academia.

As you can imagine this setup didn't last long.  People wanted something to show for their effort (& money) so shortly thereafter UVA started to issue degrees. 


PROGRESS!

[Calles]

originally, the only *real* majors were Philosophy and Latin and shit like that. of course, the students in question would never need those things to "earn" their way in the world, they were set to inherit land and political power. they needed to learn those things in the same way they learned manners, or how to dress, or how to be snooty to the butler.

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