The Ascent of Humanity and what comes next...

[Spiderman23]

I've been plugging away at this book for awhile; has anyone else come across it?

http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/

I keep coming back to the notion of a dieoff, and despite the utter despair i feel, I am also starting to see some light in the darkness. Maybe there is no other way for humanity to get their shit together than to have billions of people die.

This is the final paragraph of the book:

"The infinity we seek is here already, and it always has been. The collapse of the Tower—the world under control, the quest for certainty in science—is laying bare the fraud that has enslaved us for ten thousand years. Yet we must remember that this fraud too has its purpose. We must remember the playful origins of separation, this exploratory game we have lost ourselves in and from which we are now awakening. Our quest, our journey to the farthest reaches of separation, is now nearly complete. However hard the birthing pains, a light beckons us, a Reunion with that place of enchantment, understanding, and wholeness. Let that light sustain us through the coming darkness"

and it reminded me of this: "Ralph Waldo Emerson once asked what we would do if the stars only came out once every thousand years. No one would sleep that night, of course. The world would create new religions overnight. We would be ecstatic, delirious, made rapturous by the glory of God. Instead, the stars come out every night and we watch television"

Will anyone of us ever see a world where humans recognize the utter fragility of life every moment of every day, or will we be fighting wars until there is no one left?

[Harcken]

I'm reading it currently; I'm in the middle of chapter seven.

As long as humankind doesn't die off completely, I think there will be a chance at rebirth, or the age of reunion as Eisenstein puts it. I also don't believe reforms are possible because the systems we have in place are inherently destructive, dehumanizing, cruel, wasteful, deluded into thinking we are apart and above Nature. This world must burn itself out completely before the birth of a better world can begin. I think it will entail the death of billions also.

Any human beings left will change or perish, not perish because of force, but because of natural consequences. Laws of nature are not mere rules - they are the truths of life and existence. They can never be opposed without consequences. "Civilization" is the monster of humankind - it constantly resists Nature and will suffer the consequences. This will happen because we cannot keep Nature at bay forever. At soon as the facade of civilization is brought down, then better eons can begin.

[Ik]

Read it for my theoretical work.  I liked it.  Reminded me of Bronowski's the Ascent of Man.  Kenneth Clark's Civilization is a good book too, similar genre.

Yes, rebirth almost here.  Call it Unification, if you will.  Or Korten's Great Turning.  Or Capra's Turning Point.  Or Teilhard de Chardin's Noosphere.  Or Plotinus's One.  Everyone sees it coming.  So did the Greeks: Apocalypse.

Enjoy the reading, and be sure to enjoy the ride.  One last note: it isn't a coincidence that we're around to witness the acceleration of Universal expansion.

Peace,

Ik

[wiccawench]

......latoc has cost me a lot of money in books.........


ADDS another to the list........ 

 

this is the bit that got me........

the quest for certainty in science—is laying bare the fraud that has enslaved us for ten thousand years.

do you ever get the feeling there is inexorable pressure pushing you from one book/thought/idea to the next? that is not ALL just happen chance?

cause i sure do........

[Spiderman23]

You don't have to buy the Eisenstein book, he has posted it in full on the link I provided.

I have an overwhelming feeling that we are all meant to learn something from these crisis. I understand the need for "prepping", but then I pause sometimes to think, just what the hell am I prepping for? Another day with food and shelter? Of course it is necessary, but it is only a MEANS to something fundamentally, they cannot not be the end goal. I hope I find the truth soon.

[wiccawench]

yes i think you are correct

i just keep an open mind as much as i can i think..........

and redream my world.......

[amfortas]

Love that dude!
He writes on Reality Sandwich, alot...about economics.


Thoughtfully Hopeful..


Ik, I found Clark's  book for 25 cents, recently, but haven't gotten to it.
In the middle of McNeill's "Rise of the West"....which seems to me like a populist rendering of Toynbee.
Easier to read, and all...


I came to the conclusion a while ago that collapse is a good thing...in fact, a necessary thing.
World won't make it, otherwise.
10,000+ year psychosis....wow.

[wiccawench]

Thank you loco man!

[BenjaminTheDonkey]

do you ever get the feeling...that is not ALL just happen chance?

I get the feeling that it’s ALL determined!   

[The Black Knight]

Any human beings left will change or perish, not perish because of force, but because of natural consequences. Laws of nature are not mere rules - they are the truths of life and existence. They can never be opposed without consequences. 

I cannot agree more. This I learned 40 years ago http://yooperstrails.blogspot.com/2008/01/royal-flush-in-spades-part-ii-adding-it.html  . Very good thread!

Ascent of humanity? Natural consequence?

The instructors view of isolation was a very unique one. They viewed modern man as a weaker specie from earlier ones, and the more that we strayed from a sustainable environment, the weaker man would become. Furthermore, man already in a physical state of decline could find the distance to a suitable habitat, too great to penetrate. The distance to suitable habitats would become greater, as those habitats grew smaller. When comptemplating distance often time is involved. They thought that man already in a weakened state would not have enough resource to make the transition to another suitable habitat in time. If it took X amount of time and unlimited resource to get where we are today and for the population to build as it has, is it reasonable to expect the population to unfold in the same amount of time as resource depletes?

http://yooperstrails.blogspot.com/2008/01/king-of-spades-part-iii.html

[Bruce]

 My brother at times has laughed at me because of my preps and my beliefs. In the last year he has had his own business struggle hard and has come around to my way of thinking. However, he still thinks prepping is a waste of time. He said if it is going to be that tough I don't want to be around anyway. Who the hell wants to eat beans everyday? You'll probably get killed off anyway.  You know he might be right, but I might be right. Who do you think stands the best chance of surviving? In my mind he has already given up and I simply refuse to do that............................Bruce

[kathleen]

do you ever get the feeling there is inexorable pressure pushing you from one book/thought/idea to the next? that is not ALL just happen chance?

cause i sure do........

I know exactly what you mean, it feels like a trajectory that I almost have no control of. Ascent of Humanity was a wonderful read; I believe pai mei put that link on here awhile back. I would rank it up there with Ishmael in terms of a book that can skew your worldview for the better. At present I am reading The Fall by Steve Taylor. It ties in very nicely with those other two books. The way things are now are certain not normal nor healthy. These books are marvelous for clearing out much of the programming we've received.

[Spiderman23]

I just finished reading The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown, and even that book has some very noosphere/reunion/collective conciousness related themes throughout the book. It is somewhat reassuring amidst all the doom that we might oneday move onto something truly bigger than ourselves. That each of us is already a God, and we need only view the world from a different perspective.

[Hope@ZeroKelvin]

Sorry guys, but this is what will supercede humanity:






Our "consciousness" is just the electrical epiphenomenon from all those billions of neurons firing off in our oversized brains.  It is just a ghost in the wind and will be blown away for ever by the upcoming crash. 

[sc]

Only firemonkeys are so deluded that they have to search for "hope and meaning" in the face of  likely species extinction.

We are biological creatures tied in totality to Gaia......we have, as a species and as individuals undertaken to disturb her ice age sleep and will suffer the consequences.

As a species we are no different than the old man/woman in their final hours....as their urine drips from their privates and they face the eternal darkness....suddenly clutch at the charlatan priest at their bedside and profess their desire for forgiveness and desperate desire for entry into some mythical kingdom of heaven.....

what utter tripe!.......our neurons cease to fire, our consciousness fades and the stuff of what we are goes back to the planet......

we should just all grow the f.. up........

the road awaits