Saudi Arabia has peaked, view of US drilling supervisor that drilled in SA

[vic_d]

just more confirmation

http://www.hedgeco.net/news/10/2009/logi-energy-determines-saudi-oil-production-has-peaked.html

He and Dr. Foucher have determined, through deep analytics, that the exports from the top 5 exporting countries has peaked and half of all oil ever to be exported after 2005 by these countries will be exported within 4 years, by 2013.

If this proves to be true, the biggest ramification for this prediction is that there will be global oil shortages in the US and other OECD countries before 2013 even at the current low demand levels.

WOW..

[FireJack]

I've been wondering a lot lately just when are we going to see shortages because once that starts it will be all over fast. Before 2013 is pretty vague, anyone have a month?

[GreenNeck]

Another indirect confirmation that KSA is, if not near peak, at least done picking the best fields, is that their latest major field development, Khurais, requires saltwater injection right at the outset. Interestingly, it is a canadian engineering company, SNC/Lavalin, that provided some of the expertise:

http://www.hydrocarbons-technology.com/projects/khurais/

The cornucopians like to say all KSA has to do is drill a few holes and they could procude 25 mbpd at the drop of a hat. If that's the case, why do they need to use water injection to develop new fields?

[defshepard]

Thanks Seahorse for this information. Well, well. The truth is finally coming out at last. Sometime before 2013 I truly expect things to start unraveling fast around here in Chicagoland. Everybody here is just waiting for things to go back to normal and go back on shopping binge on the credit cards at the mall. They all keep saying next year the economy is going to turn around. Its not going to happen, and when that realization hits the public at large, well its not going to be pretty.

[wordnerd]

Yes, I am continually amazed at the number of people who have no clue about the situation we are facing. "Someone" has certainly done a fantastic job of keeping the situation secret.
Are they planning something? How can they hope of keeping this from people much longer?
We go on as if things are "life as usual".
I truly am continually amazed at the lack of knowledge of out situation in the mainstream public

[Megadoom]

Yes, I am continually amazed at the number of people who have no clue about the situation we are facing. "Someone" has certainly done a fantastic job of keeping the situation secret.
Are they planning something? How can they hope of keeping this from people much longer?
We go on as if things are "life as usual".
I truly am continually amazed at the lack of knowledge of out situation in the mainstream public

I'm beginning to think it isn't a conspiracy, but rather people surrounded by a world of plenty while growing fat off ding dongs, ho ho's, and cheesie fries, and to suggest that it will all end seems....well....incredulous and sci fi. Plus, alternatives have been around for decades and surely we'll make the transition into a Star Wars type world, or that's what the imaginative mind of millions of atari and playstation graduates from the last decade would have us all believe. Plus it's a matter perspective as we aren't accustomed to viewing the world and its growing numbers from the vantage point of space, but rather what we see in our own little neck of the woods, and we all have didn't preconceived notions of our history, where we see it as - "we made it before, we'll make it again (figure something out). Most would believe the future consists of a planet that looks like Geidi Prime from the Dune trilogy, with space being the final frontier of human expansion. The inescapable peril we see here on latoc is the choke point to reach the stars, and if there is a strategy by the PTB that's probably where it truly lies - in keeping man from infesting the universe.

[Grower]

I can think of two people who have literally told me that they cannot function if they think about doom (financial collapse, whatever). It was sort of a lucid moment -- they came out of their denial and literally said they know, but they can't deal with it. Then later they were back into denial. But that one revealing moment said a lot.

[rbrgs]

they cannot function if they think about doom

So do they just end up as slaves?  Or drink themselves to death, like folks in the ex-USSR?

[Grower]

Well, in a way, I guess they do. It's like watching an ostrich. One is retired. She just goes from day to day to day. She has a little food put back, but then she always does that. She likes watching her retirement account go back up since March, about 40%. That makes her feel better. She gets twisted up if she thinks about that being temporary -- can't sleep, worries all the time. I did get her to move more of her money into non-equities. She claims she'll move more of it "later."

<sigh>

I just plan accordingly. Because you can't tell your mother she fucked up and can't come in out of the cold post crash. 

[joewp]

I can think of two people who have literally told me that they cannot function if they think about doom (financial collapse, whatever). It was sort of a lucid moment -- they came out of their denial and literally said they know, but they can't deal with it. Then later they were back into denial. But that one revealing moment said a lot.

One of the first people I discusses PO with almost 5 years ago was a certified financial analyst with his own company doing great business. His reaction was "you're telling me that everything I've studied and worked at my whole life is worth shit... I can't accept that" and we never talked about it again. Now we don't even talk any more. In my opinion, he grasped the situation and its implications quite rapidly and immediately discounted it as way to dire to happen in his lifetime. I give him credit for the first part, and condemn him for walking away from it.

Later on, I found out his reaction was quite typical except most didn't understand the implications as deeply as him.

[spanktron9]

Grower wrote

I can think of two people who have literally told me that they cannot function if they think about doom (financial collapse, whatever). It was sort of a lucid moment -- they came out of their denial and literally said they know, but they can't deal with it. Then later they were back into denial. But that one revealing moment said a lot.

My wife and sisters fall into this group. Actually, most of my family. They acknowledge the truth of what I am presenting, but claim that thinking about it does no good.

[pamela]

Grower wrote

I can think of two people who have literally told me that they cannot function if they think about doom (financial collapse, whatever). It was sort of a lucid moment -- they came out of their denial and literally said they know, but they can't deal with it. Then later they were back into denial. But that one revealing moment said a lot.

My wife and sisters fall into this group. Actually, most of my family. They acknowledge the truth of what I am presenting, but claim that thinking about it does no good.

first off, thanks for this thread Seahorse. That is some bracing information. I always like to hear what people on the ground have to say. I put a lot more stock in it than the number babble.

And, about people preferring to just stay asleep. My best friend falls into that category. I finally have had to stop saying anything to her about it. This summer, I tried to help her learn to can, and garden and pick up some skills, but to no avail. She seems to think that if she does anything to prepare for hard times, it will actually "cause" the hard times.
As people are superstitious a lot of times, I wonder if that might not be the cause for some folks who are aware, to prefer to continue on as though nothing is happening?
Maybe they are afraid they will "draw" doom to them.

[metaforge]

She seems to think that if she does anything to prepare for hard times, it will actually "cause" the hard times.

Sorta reminds me of the .gov telling us to go out & spend ourselves back to prosperity. 

[BlueOwl]

To be honest, ALL of us put a TON of cognitive dissonance not just on the back burner, but take it off the stove entirely.

Examples:

*Human trafficking (ag workers, sex workers [even in the good ol Land 'o Freedom]).
*Sweat shops (those killer bargains at every store, or even just simple electronics [like this computer]).
*Environmental Destruction of any and all sorts (much related to our lifestyles, no matter how frugal any of us here lives).
*Animal torture that's pretty much unimaginable [medical research, cosmetic research, or most of our meat and dairy supply].

Etc.

We ALL live lives of astonishing denial or willfull ignorance.  For us to the the Superior Dance because we acknowledge oil decline is pretty shallow.

[juliasdream]

The real problem is a lot more then peak oil.  Sure you expect peak oil to happen in a situation like earths where there is finite resources, evil tyrant governments, and lazy fat bastards who control the world.  There are many ways to solve this problem.  You can eliminate the fat bastards some way, you can change from oil produced cars to some other technology which by all probability not only exists ( electric, hydrogen etc etc) but probably exists about 100 more different ways then the 2 I just posted.  You could get all nations to put more resources in some space exploration program to colognize new worlds that by all stretches of the imagination EXIST. 

But, here lies the problem with all these solutions.  We are ruled by Evil tryant governments, and lazy bastards.  To think that these people want to not only go about with these situations that would in some way improve human life is laughable.  Because in order for a evil lazy fat bastard in his darth vadar type empire to matain control they needs an obedient population.   Often this obedient population needs to be rather dumb, also lazy, fearful of the fat bastards, emotionally deprived, and constantly entertained when not doing useless work which becomes highly complex useless word. 

So.. lets go back to the solutions.  One solution was to eliminate the fat bastards.  Well now.. this is actually funny.  In a normal population, and I say normal in the sense that the people aren't lazy, fearful, kept busy 24/7 this would probably occur through some type of revolt quickly, heck, its happened in history quite a few times.  But since most of the population is lazy, fat, and constantly busy this will probably neer happen.

The next solution was to become none dependent on oil.  This actually seems like a decent idea.  Except therse a problem with this to.  See these lazy fat bastards require oil in their diet.  They like cars that burn oil, oil made products that save their life. etc etc

Ok my computer is messing up but you get the point.. o wait one more thing.
What about investing in technology to get off the earth?? This seems like a great idea because we can go around destroying the galaxy.  I started thinking about this one.  First of all let me state that Im a man who believes that their is a high probability that their is a god.  That being said, If i was this god, and I saw my creation acting like this I would probably try to make something that goes around the planet to guarentees these evil bastards never get off the planet.  Speaking of which, isn't their some radiation cloud which makes it impossible for us to get to mars with a man on a spacecraft?  Sounds great!