Department of Energy Report - Mitigating the effects of PO

[Seahorse]

The ultimately conclusion of this report is the US would have to undertake a "Marshall Energy Plan" twenty years in advance of PO to avoid severe economic fallout from a decline in world oil production.

http://www.hilltoplancers.org/stories/hirsch0502.pdf


Though not new, I stickied this old report bc it is an important work not easily located on this forum or elsewhere and gives a good overview of the problems facing world oil production.  So, for those new to PO that may visit this site, it makes some basic reading easy for them. 

[bearmarketLOL]

Shoot looks like we are 20 years too late. We still haven't started either. Man theres getting to be alot of stuff under that rug...

[gnosis]

Maybe that's why there is all of the wishful thinking that PO is not going to hit until 2020, 2025, or later?!

Idiots.

[cboswel1]

I would like to question the legitimacy of this document. Nowhere are there actual DOE insignia or real Government documentation. While I do not debate the facts listed therein, I just personally think that the title may be a bit misleading. Actual DOE doc? This could have just as easily been made up by Joe Shmoe with Wikipedia.

[forager]

I would like to question the legitimacy of this document. Nowhere are there actual DOE insignia or real Government documentation. While I do not debate the facts listed therein, I just personally think that the title may be a bit misleading. Actual DOE doc? This could have just as easily been made up by Joe Shmoe with Wikipedia.

http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/others/pdf/Oil_Peaking_NETL.pdf

Note the doe.gov in the above web address.

http://www.netl.doe.gov/

Find DOE insignia above.

[cboswel1]

Forager, thanks for the links. I just feel more comfortable looking at information such as this through official sites. I have become very tired of third party sites chopping docs. over the years.

[jakam75]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/09/peak-oil-international-energy-agency

Saw it on market ticker this morning.  Maybe it will be in the breaking news tomorrow......

[wiccawench]

But as far back as 2004 there have been people making similar warnings. Colin Campbell, a former executive with Total of France told a conference: "If the real [oil reserve] figures were to come out there would be panic on the stock markets … in the end that would suit no one."

yup and THAT was 5 years ago..... 

[jtollison78]

yes, stay calm. The last thing we need is panic... that might lead to real action.

Edit: funny thin is, espite my best efforts, I haven't managed to panic anyone. People are very resiliant vs panic.

[Katie]

Edit: funny thin is, espite my best efforts, I haven't managed to panic anyone. People are very resiliant vs panic.

LOL, this is so true.  I keep trying, but they don't panic  .    They may kindly think I'm being overly dramatic about a problem that is going to be easily solvable with our "American know-how."  After all, we put a man on the moon in a short amount of time and things have gotten more and more "miraculous" since then.

(Actually, oil put a man on the moon and the U.S. had plenty of it then compared to now.)

Today, I mentioned it to someone I know.  He listened thoughtfully, and then said that he's sure that there will be great inventions in alternative energy that will take the place of what we have now.  He's a great guy, a good person to have in your community post-P.O.  A good head on his shoulders, hard worker, honest, etc. 

When I thought about it, I thought that possibly his comments on alternative energy are a good sign.  It means he's actually thought about the issue.  It means peak oil is out there, at the edges of some people's consciousness.  Three or four years ago, hardly anyone had heard about these ideas.  Now they are noticing and are in the first stage:  denial.  You know, denial, anger, bargaining, etc.

What stage is panic ?  Oh, that theory didn't mention panic. . . 

[alaskat]

I really believe the Gov. will take zero action, they are adverse to risk taking, with their votes, so crash is inevitable. They will then be shaking their heads and trying to find someone to blame.

[mtlouie]

Forager, thanks for the links. I just feel more comfortable looking at information such as this through official sites. I have become very tired of third party sites chopping docs. over the years.

Yes, because "official" sites/numbers have been soooooo truthful. 

[guitarbuddy]

Forager, thanks for the links. I just feel more comfortable looking at information such as this through official sites. I have become very tired of third party sites chopping docs. over the years.

Yes, because "official" sites/numbers have been soooooo truthful. 

Well said.

[quietnite]

I just had a conversation with one of my senior English classes...it's two days before winter break and they always manage to stir up a good conversation to "avoid work" ( they don't realize that they are actually thinking/working hard...shhhh, don't tell them)

anyway, we were discussing peak oil, the financial collapse and climate change,population, etc....the only conclusion we came to was that "we would have to do what we can to save ourselves locally, after Katrina, if you're waiting for "them" to come rescue you...you are stupid"

I was quite proud of them.

[pai mei]

"They" exist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an unofficial, annual, invitation-only conference of around 130 guests, most of whom are persons of great influence in the fields of politics, business, banking, and media. Each conference is under intense secrecy and security, with the last meeting guarded by police, security services, military helicopters and even fighter jets

"They know" about peak oil. They rule the world. UN, World Bank, IMF. Elections - are not real in USA, and all the other "western" nations, and almost all of Europe, including Romania. I mean - you vote, but "they' don't allow any random person to get in control of everything, every 4 years.
"They" know about peak oil since 1970. All that is going now is planned. And the wars to secure oil. They hide the truth - they give us "global warming" laws, like they care about the planet. Those laws are only meant to reduce consumption. The same - the economic crisis, the "credit crunch" was planned. Oil getting at 147$ - that was not planned. All they want is - maintain things stable. No chaos. They like were they are right now. Will do anything to maintain the system. Even - kill us some of us, we are too many."Soylent Green", "Brazil", "1984".
No "we" are not some innocent victims. "We" do not exist. "We" - many of us only dream to make it to the "top". Everything is a mess. This is my view.