sailing the farm - want to join?

[SabreKai]

I'm at work right now but I'll dig up a few titles for you tonite if I get the chance.

As for stretching a boat, its generally acceptable to take a set of drawings and increase the distance between stations by 10%. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone doing more than 10%.

As for water ballast, its not going to work real well on a sailboat. Water in water weighs nothing. All you would be using for ballast would be the structure and tanks. You would sink lower in the water but the effective righting moment would be very low. You need something denser than water. I would suggest that an extendable fin would be the best bet as you increase the effect of a given weight of ballast as the distance from the center of gravity increases. 1000 lbs at 3 feet below the CG has a moment of 3000ftlb where as a 1000 lbs at 10ft now has a moment of 10000ftlb. Another idea is to have the keel swing from side to side. I saw this for the first time while watching the Volvo ocean racers. They have very long thin fin keels with a bulb full of ballast and the keel can be swung from side to side using hydraulic rams. They sometimes had problems with them because of the carbon fiber hull structure not being robust enough but on a steel or aluminum hull they should work great. Swinging the ballast to windward makes it much more efficient but don't ask me about the math. Its all vectors n such and a bit beyond my level


Better bang for the ballast buck.

[zeyang]

I'm at work right now but I'll dig up a few titles for you tonite if I get the chance.

As for stretching a boat, its generally acceptable to take a set of drawings and increase the distance between stations by 10%. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone doing more than 10%.

Thanks. Just a couple of wet dreams. will not happen soon anyway. First I have another 1500 hours of work before i manage to finish up this project. 
But Ill love to read some juicy doomers nautical books when im off boatwork. FInish up plank 13 today. start with 14 tomorrow.


Sofar im going through all these documentary programs i found.
- crude ABC documentary
-how cuba survived oil shortage
-what a way to go
-end of suburbia

This stuff is more scary than  horror movies :-)

zeyang

[zeyang]

finish 13th strake. 3 to go.

[SabreKai]

I'm going to try an experiment here to see if I can share my photobucket folder on Espina, my 31 foot sloop.

Heres the URL they gave me

http://s111.photobucket.com/albums/n121/nebelung/Espina/

Sabre
28 days n a wake up.

[zeyang]

I'm going to try an experiment here to see if I can share my photobucket folder on Espina, my 31 foot sloop.

Heres the URL they gave me

http://s111.photobucket.com/albums/n121/nebelung/Espina/

Sabre
28 days n a wake up.

indeed nice interior. Did you built it yourself?
I will not spend so much time on interior. mostly plywood and white paint. maybe in future i can have more time doing it yachtstyle. to get more privacy ill put the bunk up along the hull-side like in the old days with some kind of curtain in front to get more privacy. plan is that everyone will have their own bunk. Im old for hot-bunk system. Its incredible what people accept of hardship and bad weather as long as they get good food and have their own bunk. :-)

zeyang
one life,live it

[SabreKai]

No, she was built just after I was born. I'm the fourth owner or maybe the 5th.

I agree, keep the interior simple. Aluminum angle frameworks with 12 or 18mm plywood. White paint. Some wood trim for accent and you have a very pretty boat. This thing about Teak and mahogany all over everything makes for a very dark interior. White paint reflects light and gives a feeling of much more space. Espie is only 31 feet long but she has the most comfortable cabin of any boat I've ever been on, and that light interior is half of it. That and storing the dinette table under the starboard settee when not in use.


Zeyang my friend, the best hot bunk is one with a lusty wench in there as a bed warmer. Perhaps one of your lady welders?


Sabre

[zeyang]

Zeyang my friend, the best hot bunk is one with a lusty wench in there as a bed warmer. Perhaps one of your lady welders?

hehe. Probably not. They are strictly lady welders :-)
But i have a cat which might work as bed warmer. hehe.

zeyang

[FilterFeeder]

Zeyang my friend, the best hot bunk is one with a lusty wench in there as a bed warmer. Perhaps one of your lady welders?

hehe. Probably not. They are strictly lady welders :-)
But i have a cat which might work as bed warmer. hehe.

zeyang

Great, so you get female skills and company for your trip and avoid getting accused of being a predatory creep 
Maybe they'll take pity on you mid-Pacific and let you watch

[zeyang]

Great, so you get female skills and company for your trip and avoid getting accused of being a predatory creep 
Maybe they'll take pity on you mid-Pacific and let you watch

haha. They dont need to worry. Ill be too busy fishing anyway.


2 more strakes left.



zeyang

[zeyang]

Plank 15 and 1 more to go. Had to cut whole in the floor to make space for this plank. Im spending my time thinking how to turn this 3 tonns beast around. Seems i have 2 options.

1. tear down the wall, move the boat out on wheels and turn it with a crane outside

2. move boat sideways close to wall, and turn it with 2 or 3 winches and make a kind of cradle on the out side of the hull first.

still a few weeks to think about this.




zeyang

[SabreKai]

Either way you will need to make up a cradle for the hull. That is easiest with the boat upside down. Flipping her over with a crane will be the fastest but most expensive way to do it. It will also be the safest way.

On the other hand, if you build a cradle and she is secure in it, you can use chain hoists or come-alongs to do the job. It takes a fair amount of time and will require several people to handle the chains on either side. They flipped the hull of my 38 foot steel sloop indoors with chain hoists when they built her. You will want to build a really sturdy solid cradle and secure the hull to it very well as you will be pulling on the corners of the cradle to get it moved. I would attach the cradle frames to the framework under the hull that holds your framing used to build the boat. Lots of cross bracing and I'd even weld temporary beams in across the hull inside. Once you get the whole mess made into a ridgid mass, the chain hoists will take care of the grunt work. Work slowly, and make very sure you have solid anchor points for the chain hoists and stop tackle. 

I expect I'll be buying a scanner shortly, and I'll scan the photos of Sabre Dance being rolled for you.

She's looking very good so far. I expect you will be doing the keel facing soon at the rate you are going.


Sabre

[SabreKai]

I checked the photo album last night after I got home. Unfortunately there are only 3 photos of the roling process, and none of them show any great detail on the process. Just a black shape in a dark room going from upside down to right side up. Sorry bout that.

Sabre
13 days n a wake up.

[zeyang]

I checked the photo album last night after I got home. Unfortunately there are only 3 photos of the roling process, and none of them show any great detail on the process. Just a black shape in a dark room going from upside down to right side up. Sorry bout that.

Sabre
13 days n a wake up.

doesent matter. i have pretty much a good idea how to do this. look at www.toan.se and download the big pdf-file. there are some good pictures of how this guy did it. he spent 10 years building that boat. pretty crazy, when ill try to do it in less than 2 years.
http://www.toan.se/synb/nybygg.htm (look for the slideshow)

ehh. what is that counting down stuff? something i missed?

zeyang

[unhappyvoter]

Zeyang,  just read thru this tread and went thru the welders site and read 3 or  4 pgs and I really enjoyed all of it!

Sure sounds like a great adventure, from the build of the shop & plans and on to the world cruise.  I'd be begging to join up, but I couldn/t leave my 97lb Rhodesian Ridgeback.
Thanks for sharing, and boat is looking great!