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« on: October 02, 2009, 06:28:04 AM »

I can not stop thinking about which is the best way to store electric power...
I need to store electric power for the refrigerator, freezer and radiocomunications. That can not be discused.

I do not worry about energy or power density, specific energy or specific power or self-discharge or even effiency but I would like to know which battery could last more time...
On the other hand, would a mechanical system that stores potential energy (i.e. water pumps) be able to compete with the life of the battery with the longest life cycle?

Thanks a lot.
and forgive my English.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2009, 10:56:35 AM »

I can not stop thinking about which is the best way to store electric power...
I need to store electric power for the refrigerator, freezer . . . . 

Why not just "store" the cold?

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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2009, 11:25:49 AM »

nickel-iron batteries

http://www.beutilityfree.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44-nickel-iron-batteries-a-lifetime-battery-for-your-off-grid-system-or-on-grid-backup&catid=72-Storage&Itemid=129
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2009, 01:01:22 PM »

Very interesting.

I didn't know you could still buy nickle iron batteries.

interesting indeed.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 05:38:51 AM »

You might find interesting a search on "homemade battery".  There are a LOT of ways you can make batteries from common materials.  Probably not what you want to start out with, but it is possible and fairly easy to make batteries post crash.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2009, 07:54:45 AM »

I can not stop thinking about which is the best way to store electric power...
I need to store electric power for the refrigerator, freezer . . . . 

Why not just "store" the cold?



I need lower temperatures...
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2009, 02:00:27 AM »

I can not stop thinking about which is the best way to store electric power...
I need to store electric power for the refrigerator, freezer . . . . 


Why not just "store" the cold?




I need lower temperatures...




Lower than Dry Ice?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2009, 08:18:27 AM »

I can not stop thinking about which is the best way to store electric power...
I need to store electric power for the refrigerator, freezer and radiocomunications. That can not be discused.

I do not worry about energy or power density, specific energy or specific power or self-discharge or even effiency but I would like to know which battery could last more time...
On the other hand, would a mechanical system that stores potential energy (i.e. water pumps) be able to compete with the life of the battery with the longest life cycle?

Thanks a lot.
and forgive my English.


It would help a lot to know where you are. Ambient temperture, and soil temperature can both play a role in an effiicient system.

First, be sure you have the most efficient refrigerator and freezer available. Common appliances are not that all efficient.

Everything I consider is a matter of re-engineering a given situation. We went to water cooling a refrigeration system rather than air- heat exchange and improved the efficiency by a factor of ten.

As to radio communications, reception can be accomplished with only a few watts, but transmitters can eat up the power. To improve a transmitting system, improve the antenna and get the same coverage with less power.

Storing power is a situational thing. storing water behind a dam or in a tower is an excellent way to store electricity- use it when you need it.
Hydro electric and wind driven generators need storage but at very different levels.

Battery storage is best achieved with Nickel-Iron batteries, but they are quite costly. Lead-acid batteries are plentiful and cheap, but they need constant care and more frequent replacement. Our lead-acid battery storage system lasted ten years- nickel-iron batteris can last 30 years, even longer, but they cost much more initially.

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2009, 04:10:34 AM »

yer i second NiFe batteries
im curious if they can be homemade
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 06:54:21 PM »

Lead-acid batteries can, if you're willing to smelter lead.  They used to be built in glass jars (cases) with wood plate seperators. 2V individual cells.  A Whitte's battery book (c) 1922! can be found on the net.
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 04:58:29 PM »

I have instructions for making lead acid batteries as well,
it is not that hard, and if you get lead plate, then you will not have to melt the lead down.
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