Practical Care for the ill by Fishsurfer

[wiccawench]

  ha ha so she did.......! thanks for the great info Fishsurfer!

[pamela]

thanks fishsurfer !

ps you realise you might want to correct the title (spelling police) PRACTICAL 

VERY USEFUL information...... when my kids were small i always used the back pounding to remove phlegm from their lungs as they were pretty bad asthmatics.... its VERY effective. Thanks for reminding us all of the actions within our own grasp.

I cant!  Pamela did it 

  oops.

hey Fishy, I have printed out your excellent tips for caring for the sick and put them on the wall here for my husband and myself to read in the event one of us gets sick.
Thanks again.
This is so nice of you to do all this.
also, thanks Wendy. 

[Fishsurfer]

No problem, i like doing them.  Its good memory refresher for me, to walk through things a bit more academically in a way that hopefully makes some sense.  After working so many years in Emergency Medicine, i sometimes forget to break it all down and explain the processes.  Much like a business, a persons health should be broken down into "processes".  Identify vulnerabilities, causes, factors that may cause illness or worsening illness down the road; fix those issues and processes...hopefully have less illness.  Everything in medicine usually starts little somewhere and builds, the idea is to stop it in its tracks by identifying what your seeing and negating the biological worlds ability to come up with something a bit more nasty. 

This kind of thinking is a part of everything i do, and mostly the reason ive been a bit ticked at the US response to the Flu.  The people in Mexico figured out what to do and they stopped something from going totally ape shit imho.  The masks, business closures, school cancellations, self quarantine, etc...  It worked.  Now who has the most cases, more people being hospitalized everyday, telling schools and business to stay open, delaying the real numbers yet telling people in conference calls the worst is still ahead.  This whole thing stinks, even the Secy. of HHS today seemed a bit pissed off about the lack of media attention.  Im sure its purposeful and even over her head. Meanwhile weve got 2600 reported cases (much higher in reality), at least 1 hundred in the hospital at a minimum, and probably several more weeks at least of escalating flu illness.  The season could even go straight into fall without much reprieve.  I guess we'll have to see, i think the political leaders more concerned about preserving the economy dropped the ball on this one at the risk of creating an actual Pandemic.  And once that starts rolling, nobody is going to stop it.   

[eric1]

And then there's always the treatment of last resort . . . the Lantos Option(named after the late Congressman from California) . . .


                                                         SUEYC-I-I-I-DE.

[Hope@ZeroKelvin]

The beauty of Fishsurfer's post is that it will be effective AND feasible treatment WTSHTF and in the PO world.

Excellent. 

[Abhaha]

Who knows....it might even bring him back to the forum??   

[Hope@ZeroKelvin]

Who is to say he isn't back?

****cue scary music****

[Broil]

Hope@?

I wonder if one's lungs fill up with fluid or crud, and there's nobody around because the hospitals are overflowing and you're on a stretcher a block away from the emergency room entrance, lying down in someone's flower garden ....... could you turn onto your stomach, stick your butt up in the air as if praying to Mecca (thus inverting your lungs), and cough rhythmically and gently to expel all that gunk?

It seems to me that gravity would be more on your side if your lungs are upside down.

[Hope@ZeroKelvin]

No, silly.

That is the position you assume when the tax man comes along.

It has nothing to do with your lungs or being a Muslim.

Must I 'splain everything?

Still looking for the Shoe Goo.  Did not find it at Academy.  Will try the Berkenstock store which happens to be in the yuppiest part of town.  LOL.

[Broil]

You can find shoe goo at Wallyworld.  Now tell me for real, the question was serious even if asked in a goofy way.

[Hope@ZeroKelvin]

You can find shoe goo at Wallyworld.  Now tell me for real, the question was serious even if asked in a goofy way.

Probably wouldn't work or we would hang all those ICU patients on ventilators upside down.

You need to break up the mucous and secretions with vibrations either from an ultrasound machine or clapping hands on the chest wall. 

It's called chest physical therapy and the hospital charges you about $100/hour for it (that what was on my son's bill when he was hospitalized age 8 mo with RSV pneumonia).  If you know some people into S & M, they might do it for a return favor.

Then you get the patient to cough really hard and bring all that stuff up. 

If you find yourself in this situation and no one is around, you are going to die and my advice is to go lie down in the nearest garden and thus begin the recycling process immediately.  Sorry.

But hey!  You will have good company because one of the first things to completely collapse will be the medical system which is totally vulnerable in any kind of crash scenario.

Must look into the fine details of composting.......

After I find the Shoe Goo. Wally World? 

[Broil]

Yes, Walmart and other downscale dept stores are more likely to carry it than a Bilderberger store or whatever you were going to.  It's mainly used by po' boys like me, people who can't afford to buy new shoes even when the old ones are falling apart.

[Hope@ZeroKelvin]

Yes, Walmart and other downscale dept stores are more likely to carry it than a Bilderberger store or whatever you were going to.  It's mainly used by po' boys like me, people who can't afford to buy new shoes even when the old ones are falling apart.

Berkenstocks are not Bilderberger shoes, you knucklehead.

Your average Biderberger wouldn't be caught dead in shoes that didn't cost at least $500.

I wouldn't know about that.  My favorite brand are the San Antonio Shoes, made right here in Texas.

Or my Leddy's custom cowboy boots.

[Broil]

Interesting ..... this was bumped to the top just now, before this reply!

At any rate, I was hoping you would comment on my new thread just below, about low-tech medicine.

[justanouveaufarmer]

This is great stuff, thanks fish - if you're still around.  The respiratory complications scare me the most about the sf.

I had a couple of questions. 
1.  Why the recommendation for the old mercury thermometer?  What's wrong with the digital kind? 
2.  Can you give more details about how you do the chest pt?  I'm assuming you just hit them with a closed fist?  How many times?
3.  And finally, I got no antibiotics.  How about something from a vet supply for the Amoxil stuff?  (Pamela, could you advise?)  How would you know how much to use?

Thanks for posting this.
Justy