12-18 Months Left?

[hereticmonk]

I'm predicting civil war in Mexico in the next two years or less, and the USA being forced to decide whether to protect its southern border or deal with the consequences of that war spreading into our own lands, along with many war refugees we're forced to feed and clothe. Considing how we handled Katrina, I am uncertain how that's going to play out and hope to be out of the way of any refugee influx. Desperated people do desperate things.

[AntiSocialite]

It took me a long time to read this entire thread (I read slowly). But it was sooo worth it. Thank you, HereticMonk for your patience and thoroughness in relaying all the information you did. I love the future scenarios you extrapolate from current events.

One question concerning famine that you didn't address, but I'm interested in getting your take on. Most of us are overweight and sedentary now. The paradox is that being in a fattened condition makes you less valuable as a laborer while increasing your vulnerability to robbery, theft, etc. Not to mention decreased resistance to disease.

[GreenMonster12]

when your body goes into a state of ketosis (sp?) you can live off of your accumulated fat, all you need is water...........Hmmm I smell an illuminati plot to fatten the average american giving us the avantage in a starving world........ [weird x files music].........
Now I know the secret of all the corn fields in the X files movie..... Corn Syrup. ... put it in everything so that Americans get fat and can survive longer.

[Ulerian]

when your body goes into a state of ketosis (sp?) you can live off of your accumulated fat, all you need is water...........Hmmm I smell an illuminati plot to fatten the average american giving us the avantage in a starving world........ [weird x files music].........
Now I know the secret of all the corn fields in the X files movie..... Corn Syrup. ... put it in everything so that Americans get fat and can survive longer.

Haha GM12, I've had those thoughts, too. Of course, the downside is that obese people don't run as fast. 

[Mule]

I suspect we will use the boys at Blackwater for dark ops and finding the bad guys south of the border.  They could be used for other nefarious tasks as well, should TSHTF.  Personally, I have great reservations about having a company based dark ops and intell of that size in the CONUS.  Crossing the Rubicon comes to mind......

[galacticsurfer]

military communism
http://russia.rin.ru/guides_e/6991.html

Canada in the dirty thirties
http://www.yesnet.yk.ca/schools/projects/canadianhistory/depression/depression.html

Mexican revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Revolution

People's communes during Great Leap Forward in China 1958-1963
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_communes

Stalin and the liquidation of Kulaks/establishment of Kolkhozes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak

Peasant uprising in 17th century Russia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenka_Razin

Thirty years war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War#Casualties_and_disease

I don't know. There must be some way  of  getting an idea of  which type of model would fit for a crash in the states. Civil war, revolution military communism, repression by the rich, etc.

[aristotle]

Ahem.  I looked at some topics I bookmarked long ago, and this was one of them.  Amusing to read today.  12-18 months?  While LATOC Forums are valuable, and provide me with quick access to good reading materials, I discount its apocalyptic predictions heavily.

[BlueOwl]

Yup, The End has come and gone many, many times.

I think I carried a constant base level of stress for at least a solid year before finally being able to dismiss most of the "This is it!" posts (and I still fail at it from time to time as one scenario or another gets hyped up, it seems at least plausible to me, and the next thing you know I realize my shoulders have been up around my ears for a day or two).

[Jonathan_Byron]

The scariest part is, I'm not even sure we'd win against Mexico.  Our military sucks.  We can turn a continent into ashes, or level a city, but besides that we suck, we have no lasting power.  Case in point, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... 

If we were fighting to save our own country, we would certainly have the staying power. If we are occupying a foreign country, where there are complex objectives, a reliance on a weak government,  irregular forces and an inability to determine friend from foe, where many of the locals are willing to make deep sacrifices against the occupier etc ... then things do not go smoothly.

[virtuousman]

Gee....we're still here and things look pretty normal in my neck of the woods.

[BenjaminTheDonkey]

Whenever you act as a seer
It’s wise not to make things too clear.
The worst botch of all
Is to make a hard call
When your timing is not even near.   

[Jonathan_Byron]

Whenever you act as a seer
It’s wise not to make things too clear.
The worst botch of all
Is to make a hard call
When your timing is not even near.   

So prophecies are like jokes - it's all in the timing? 

Seriously, though, there are some big problems simmering in Mexico.

[Bill Hicks]

Slow grind.  Slow grind.  Slow grind.  Slow grind.

Emphasis on slow.  Too many impatient doomers on these boards.   

[BenjaminTheDonkey]

Whenever you act as a seer
It’s wise not to make things too clear.
The worst botch of all
Is to make a hard call
When your timing is not even near.   

So prophecies are like jokes - it's all in the timing? 

Seriously, though, there are some big problems simmering in Mexico.

The 2009 posts in this thread focus on timing. Near the beginning of this year, I told some people I wish I hadn’t that we’d have riots this summer, and boy is my face . Trying not to make that mistake again, thought the lesson was valuable enough to post. Take what you can use and leave the rest.   

[Chickengirl]

The timing was off - but by how much I wonder?

Cantrell is having major issues, and what was discussed follows on from that - we're pretty forgiving of the fact that the 70's embargos pushed back world peak, though all the deniers point and say "See! See! your timing was off there, we don't have to listen to you anymore". So should it turn out that HMs timeline is off by about 12-18 months, is that any reason to ignore everything else that was said?

Or is it a case of being too close to the event to see how bad it is? We aren't in feghettos and fuel isn't $6/gallon, so it isn't that bad?

Doom is sneaky - you edge closer and closer to it unaware of the urgency of the situation until it smacks you in the face and you stand there going "holy fuck, how did it happen so fast?"

Even doomers will fall for that one. We look for the big things, without noticing the small, sneaky everyday signals...