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« on: March 16, 2009, 07:48:27 PM »

I thought maybe we should describe garden chores in a separate thread instead of the doom prep thread in General Discussion. Be sure to note your Zone when you write.

I'm Zone 5, north central Ohio.

Today we did general clean up. Moved the stacked tomato cages out of the garden area. Moved the irrigation hoses and paraphernalia off to the side. Pulled up last year's pepper, kale, and broccoli stalks. Burned off the dry vegetation (we let some weeds grow up and their stalks are too strappy and get wound up in the tiller blades). Burned the grasses around the fence edges. Pulled up the stakes and netting for cucumbers for later use. Cleaned up general clutter.

I mentioned this in doom prep, but I drove north today to get organic fertilizers, fish oil, bug spray and potting soil. We got the spreader out of the shed so that tomorrow evening we can get that spread. On about 1/2 acre I'm putting out (pretty thick) 100 pounds of green sand, 100 pounds of rock phosphate, and 50 pounds of lime. This will get tilled in, weather permitting, in the next few days. The ground should be ready after one more day of sunshine tomorrow. I'll be spreading and Hub will be tilling it in behind me. Wed. it's supposed to rain, so that will work well.

In a week or two, when the ground is dry enough again and the weed seeds have germinated, we'll till it lightly once more. We'll put out the horse manure (well composted) and organic fertilizer (which is as much soil conditioner as anything else). Then we'll make up the beds. I mark the rows with my wheel hoe and Hub will make it 2 ft. wide, then a 12" row for walking, then 2 ft. wide, for a total of 30 2x25-ft. rows across the space. That's the first row across -- but then we will add two more rows of 30 beds, so that they are 30 across and 3 deep. The other big garden bed (we have two) will be 11 rows, 2 deep on half of it (the other half will be long rows of season-long vegetables, so 2x55 feet). So that's a total of about 112 2x25' rows, separated by walkways, plus 14 long rows (not counting the asparagus).

In these 2-foot-wide beds I can plant 4-6 rows of radishes and scallions, 4 rows of cutting lettuces, spinach, spicy greens mix, arugula, baby swiss chard (I cut it before it gets too large), and other like greens. I can plant 3 rows of carrots, two rows of snap beans, collards, kale, broccoli, cabbage, and larger things. One one half of the smaller bed I save for the long rows -- asparagus, tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, and bush summer squash. These stay all season. If I stagger plant, I can do two rows of peppers in these beds. I plant peppers quite close together, and they seem to do well if the soil is healthy (they don't produce well with too much nitrogen -- they go all leaves and no peppers). I trellis the cucumbers. The tomatoes are caged, except the one-third I do on poles for larger beefsteaks. I can sell those for $1.99 a pound, so it's worth it! I plant caged tomatoes 2 ft. apart and pole tomatoes 18".

Most of my efforts are going into growing for market, so you have to take that into consideration when you read what I'm doing here. If I were purely doom growing, I'd have a lot more potatoes, dry beans, and winter squash going in, among other things. But unless I see a faster collapse, I'm going with the market. It's in Columbus, during the week, to pick up sales made by workers in the area. By definition these people will be employed, so unless Columbus becomes a fedghetto this summer, I'll be okay at least one more year. A year of selling pays for a lot of doom preps.

One more thing, and this can benefit anybody. Take a good look at your seed packets and note the maturity dates. Radishes - 25 days. Scallions - 5 weeks (for the skinny ones), spinach (baby) 40 days, baby kale for cutting -- 25 days; mature kale -- 55-60 days; snap beans -- 55 days. You get the idea. You should be able to plan succession plantings for things. The radishes are among the first to be ready. Pull them and immediately plant some cutting lettuce. It'll be ready in 28 days and you can get many cuttings off of it until it gets too warm for it. Then plant beets for fall or snap beans for later summer, which you can pick for 3-5 weeks. After you pick the scallions, sock in another batch of radishes, at least till it gets too warm. Then transplant your broccoli seedlings for a fall harvest. You can get a TON of production from a 2x25' bed, or a 4x4 bed, or whatever you have.

My goal for market is to make $100 for every 25' bed every time I harvest it. Not every bed will be ready for harvest every week, but I will have a good selection to take for each market day. If you're growing for yourself, you can have your harvests more logically planned and timed not just for eating but for preserving. You don't want ALL your roma tomatoes to come on the same week (they tend to ripen all at once, which is good if you plan the right amount but a crushing burden if you over planted). So plant them three times two to three weeks apart so you can process them in batches. That kind of thing. Same with snap beans or cabbage. Whatever.

If you are a total newb at this, it might sound overwhelming. But if you are new, you are also starting smaller, so you can manage it. Get really good catalogues like Johnny's Selected Seeds or Territorial Seeds. They have FANTASTIC growing instructions on each type of vegetable -- when to plant, when to transplant, when to harvest, sowing rates and depth, maturity rates, seeds per packet, seeds per pound, and I don't know what all.

Johnny's even has a seed calculator:  http://www.johnnyseeds.com/CustomerService/InteractiveTools/SeedCalculator.aspx

If I want to direct seed beets for roots in 25 feet of row, it calculates that I need 375 seeds or 15 seeds per foot. That helps me know how much to order. Actually, I use an Earthway Seeder, which has seed plates for each type of seed that does it for me, but if you are hand sowing, as most do, knowing this kind of information is invaluable and saves you money (from buying too much seed) or time (because you run out and have to go buy more).

Read everything you can lay your hands on, but these catalogues are PRIMO.

Well, this has been long, but I had promised that I would lay out what I am doing this year. later I'll post my planting and my harvest schedules. If you have gardening questions, feel free to PM me or ask here.  The nice thing about asking on the board is that many others will chime in with more expertise than I have.

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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 08:26:58 PM »

I don't know about expertise Grower, but I've sure been chompin at the bit to get my hands dirty.
Made some new raised beds, just for tomatoes, zukes and potatos.  Painted half of them and ran out of paint.
Bought some chicken wire and stakes for the tomatoes.
Lots to do yet, but I'm so looking forward to it.
Zone 7, kinda.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 08:42:48 PM »

Great idea, Grower!  Thanks!  Smiley

We haven't done much today besides water the new transplants from last night, but here's what we've done the past few days...

My husband and older son took out a full size purple chokecherry tree that's been sitting at the back corner of the garden since we began one.  It's pretty in the spring, but a real mess after that when the chokecherries fall into the garden and make weedy tree sprouts.  It also suckers.  And it shaded that end of the garden a bit.  And it sucked the soil dry.  So it had to go.  It's being "repurposed" as fresh woodchips and logs for mushroom cultivation.  We're using the chips and some straw to put in a bed of King Stropharia between the raspberry rows and turning the logs into oyster, nameko, lion's mane and shitake mushroom logs.  We're deliberately trying a wide variety to see what works best on chokecherry, because we've got some more chokecherry that needs to be thinned out next year in the far back. 

We transplanted about a hundred seedlings into quart size grow-bags the other night.  We use growbags because we can use them several times, they are really cheap, and we can fold them back up and store them flat - several hundred of them in different sizes - in one large rubbermaid tote.   Sure beats trying to find room to store hundreds of hard-sided pots!  Our tomatoes are about four to five inches tall at the moment, and by the end of May will nicely fill a two gallon grow bag and be somewhere around 16-18 inches tall and wide.  That's when they will go out into the garden with a bit of light cover for good measure. 

The rest of the transplants are early coles - raab, broccoli, cauliflower (orange and romanesco type), kale and early cabbages.  Those will go out into the garden with a bit of cover around the end of this month or the beginning of the next, depending on how the weather goes.  We're planning to use the early cabbage for a new batch of kraut when it is ready.  The rest will be eaten fresh, pickled or blanched and frozen for later. 

I also started our Italian coin onions this week.  It's a bit late, we should have started them a couple or three weeks ago, but they will have plenty of time to finish up, and having them ready a bit later in the fall isn't a bad thing because they store really well for us.  Peppers and eggplants are looking good - getting their first true leaves out and running.  Early herbs are also doing well - dill, fennel, cutting celery, parsley, cilantro, etc. 

The side cloche has spinach that's ready to pick, and some salad that's nearly ready, plus various herbs and some other greens like chard and chinese cabbage.  We should be able to start taking regular, tender salads from it within the next couple of weeks.   Hopefully by then my husband's pet tomato plant will have some of our first ripe tomatoes of the season.  We counted 27 developing tomatoes on it the other night.  Not bad for mid-March in southern Idaho, Zone 4b/5a, elevation 9/10ths of a mile!

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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 08:48:34 PM »

Cygnus, could you expand on grow bags for me? Did you make them? Buy them? What are they?
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2009, 08:51:02 PM »

Yes -- inquiring minds and all. Those do sound interesting.

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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 08:59:26 PM »

Here's a pic of some of the larger ones we use:



They are extra thick and UV protected bags with holes on the side and bottom for ventilation and drainage.  We use quart size, half gallon, gallon and two gallon mostly - although I have some 5 and 15 gallon Easy Lift grow bags to use for growing full size plants this year on the patio.  We'll see how they do. 

Here are some places you can get them:

http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=386&navid=48

http://harmonyfarm.com/prostores/servlet/Categories?category=Hort-Nursery+Containers%3A+Grow+Bags

http://www.groworganic.com/cgy_337.html?welcome=T&theses=4324733

You can find other vendors if you google for "grow bags."   The smallest quart size bags cost about 10-11 cents each.  Most of our early plants can do fine in these until they go out into the garden - they are the equivalent of the 4" starters you get in the nursery.  The rest get transplanted out into larger and larger bags until it's warm enough to set them out permenantly.  Until then, we put the plants in bags into tubs to haul outside during the day for the extra light and fresh air. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 09:12:33 PM »

Black plastic bags, shaped like pots (cylindrical), with small holes for drainage pre-punched.  Much nursery stock is grown in bags rather than pots where I live, and I can think of a dozen stores where I can get these retail, in sizes from about a cup up to 20 gallons.  Quarts for cuttings/seedlings and 3-5 gallons for container plants seem to be standard.  They're stronger and easier to fill if you get tall ones and fold the top down.  Wow, usually, Hawaii gets things 10 years later than everyone else.....

http://www.daytonhydroponics.com/product_info.php?products_id=238

scroll down a bit with this one:

http://www.homeharvest.com/containergardenpotsplastic.htm
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 09:26:34 PM »

Black plastic bags, shaped like pots (cylindrical), with small holes for drainage pre-punched.  Much nursery stock is grown in bags rather than pots where I live, and I can think of a dozen stores where I can get these retail, in sizes from about a cup up to 20 gallons. 

I think there have been some studies that show plants actually have better root development in these bags than in traditional plastic pots.  I know the transplants we had last year were just superb in that way.  We could easily slip the whole plant out of the bag and transplant it with rootball intact, and had very little transplant shock. 
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 10:46:54 PM »

Here's a Canadian source for grow bags, and there is a sale on them - 15% off if you use coupon code "bag15".

http://www.progressive-growth.com/proddetail.php?prod=33006

I think I'll order some!
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2009, 11:40:16 PM »

Zone 9.  So far have put in some rhubarb, asparagus, three kinds of potatoes, and snow and sugar peas. 
Have to replant some artichokes that didn't make it throught the winter.  Kale and kohlrabi will come out.  Other than kale, the only thing I am eating from the garden fresh is weeds, mustard and dock.  Oh, I forgot about the lemons and kumquats.  Still, slim pickings.
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2009, 11:46:15 PM »

Gosh you are all getting excited about getting going in your gardens and I am now just tired and looking forward to a break.

I am picking tomatoes by the bucket and canning them, still have a lot of strawberries which are jam now, freezing rhubarb.  I am putting the strawberry runners over pots so I have new plants for elsewhere in the garden, taking cuttings of gooseberries and looking at splitting my large rhubarb plant and transplanting bits of it.
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2009, 07:08:00 AM »

Zone 6b here.  Our garden is all raised beds that were cleaned, top dressed with compost, and tilled about a month ago.  Peas and spinach are in and coming up.  I cleaned and inspected. the asparagus, garlic, onion, and herb beds (rosemary, sage, thyme, and oregano! overwinter for us) yesterday and the watercress tub has been flooded.  The compost bins have been consolidated and turned.  I ordered by potatoes, horseradish, and extra strawberries yesterday.  Today's job is to inspect and prune the grape vines and to start moving a wood pile where two more 20x4' beds are going in (not looking forward to that, but it has to be done).  Our tomato and pepper seedlings are doing great and we started our basil over the weekend.

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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2009, 07:32:27 AM »

I transplant a lot of perennials each year and sell them at a spring yard sale I have for a few weekends at my mom's place in town. The bags look like they'd be ideal for this, though I do need to check on various prices. I usually need at least 500-700 each season, and I prefer 5" pots, which may be available as bags. Even at 15¢ apiece, that'd be only $75, which is a lot less than I pay wholesale for pots, and as you said, the extras are easier to store. Hm. I'll use up my old pots first, but then definitely look into this.

Thanks!!

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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2009, 08:12:26 AM »

What I did in the garden today..................sighed Sad......still ice and snow bound here

I have a couple of buckets of stove ash that I will take out later today on put on top of the snow where the rhubarb grows. And hope that my tomato seeds have come in the mail when I go down and check the post office
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 08:59:45 AM »

THAT COUNTS!! Cheesy

Hang in there.
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