My "I-rant"

[Ponzu]

I'd like to get this out, because its been on my mind for a long time:

Bomb Iran already or shut the hell up.  I'm sick of this speculation, rumor and talk about an eventual war with Iran or not.  The administration is going to do whatever they desire anyway, so what are they waiting for?  An excuse?  They probably know they don't need any.  They're going to sell 9/11 for all its worth and the yellow ribbon crowd will continue to buy it up.  As long as they can keep the fires of jingoism, racism and hate burning they will always find the support to do anything.  They know the general populace is too indoctrinated or too stupid to do anything else.  All the protests are useless against their cold indifference, apathy, and at times, open hostility.  (police brutality, "free speech zones")

The likelihood of a successful outcome?  They don't care about that either.  Logic, intelligent planning and restraint are beneath them. What do they have to lose?  General Abizaid on CNN said there are plenty of troops to go around, so that shouldn't be a problem. (And if it is, they'll just constitute a draft)  They care nothing for life, no matter the skin color (except themselves).  The human cost is irrelevant in their minds.  Financially, they don't care.  They'll just borrow more money from China, or fund it at the expense of the American tax payer. 

Reprucussions from the global community?  They doesn't matter a damn to them.  They have openly and willingly defied the warnings of leaders around the world, not to mention international law.  We all know they want to do it, so why don't they just invade?  Still preparing to launch another 9/11?

I'm trying to live my empty shell of a life, and convince myself to go on.  But its a little bit harder because I need to worry that America's Taliban is going to bring about the end times.  I could just ignore it, but I can't.  On principle I refuse to go on media blackouts, thats just another way of saying, "I'm going to be willfully ignorant because I can't take it anymore."  Well, maybe if we actually did something about the state of the world, the news would be peaceful and boring and that would be a good thing. (well maybe not for ratings, but at least hundreds of people wouldn't be blown up for being at the wrong place at the wrong time, for some disaffected viewer's morbid amusement half away around the world.)

Just to be clear, I don't want a war with Iran, but I don't want to keep hearing about it either. Can't they just change it up once in awhile?  Why not Cuba one week, or Venezuela, or Canada, or Sudan on another?  No, all I hear is Iran, Iran, Iran.  If they don't have the balls to do it, why don't they just export the job to the Jews?  They want Iran taken out more than anybody, or better yet, why not stop butchering people in some vain attempt to sustain our wasteful, futile lifestyle with no future?   I can't believe this is the world I live in.  I wish the earth would stop spinning so I could get off it, this planet sucks.     

[RobTzu]

"Still preparing to launch another 9/11"

Does this mean you think the US government, or elements of it, carried out the attacks?

[OldHorseman]

Bomb Iran already or shut the hell up.

   I know how you feel. I actually found myself feeling the same way before the invasion of Babylon...  And I was absolutely not in-favor of that phase of the War On Everybody either.

   Apocalypse NOW! I'm tired of waiting!

   But this time I don't mind the delays...  I've got plenty to do before SHTF, and don't want to rush it.

   So cool yer jets... I'm sure ol' Dubya will kick the New Crusade into high gear before he's done. 

[Ponzu]

"Still preparing to launch another 9/11"

Does this mean you think the US government, or elements of it, carried out the attacks?

There's no way I can definitely know that, but I wouldn't rule it out.  Government attacks on their own people have been done multiple times throughout history (Reichstag fire, as one example).  Its not completely implausible.  There's been several theories on the net as to how this could have been accomplished.  I know it might sound like an X-Files episode, but the official cover story is even less convincing than those.

The government's version of what happened has more holes in it than Iraq has craters.

[Chip Haynes]

Ponzu is right. There was a time when governments attacked without warning. Now it's a pre-scheduled and scripted media event, and Anderson Cooper is there live- before the troops. The novelty has worn off. Shock and awe comes across as snark and stall. On the home front, people are confused, annoyed and apathetic. We lack a real image of the enemy and the battle lines don't exist. Are we winning? Are we losing? Enough already. This War On Terror (tm) has failed to unite the people, and failed to give us the focue we need to win a war we don't quite grasp.

So: What do you think Hillary will do?

[oliver.rochford]

Bomb Iran already or shut the hell up.

if I were cynical i would say that whatever they are doing is working. If they bug us enough, we will just say 'get it over and done with'.

I think the truth is far more sinister though.

We are being bombarded with the Iran Situation because it will eventually wear us down and make us lower our guard emotionally.

We have all by the looks already accepted it is going to happen, even though we know it's probably wrong or at least ambiguous.
That's what months of propoganda does to you.

Goebbels has alot to answer for, for his legacy

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Ollie

[Chip Haynes]

Gee, too bad they didn't do that with peak oil, huh?

[Dennis from Oregon]

Well, maybe Iran will start to cooperate by giving us control of their oil and opening up their country to our corporations.  Hell they might even abandon their gold based currency in favor of the dollar and convert to Christianity.  I guess we are giving them some time to accept this situation...  How much time I guess is the question?? 

[realitycheck]

Excellent Rant!

Dry wit Dennis from Oregon has a handle on it.

Well, maybe Iran will start to cooperate by giving us control of their oil and opening up their country to our corporations.  Hell they might even abandon their gold based currency in favor of the dollar and convert to Christianity.  I guess we are giving them some time to accept this situation...  How much time I guess is the question?? 

And Chip...

So: What do you think Hillary will do?

My speculation is that Clinton or Giuliani will take us to Africa as well.
The economy will be imploded so the armed services will look great.
(Training, healthcare, PENSIONS, paid vacation, sign on bonus for licensed pros......its probably the best thing going right now.
*I refuse to give or recieve vaccinations).

It is about controlling resources and debt slavery as the world burns.

[carbondragon]

Here is an idea.
How about forcing the baby boomers into active duty? That way, the us could carry ops on more front and perhaps reduce thier future pension and healthcare commitment if the war is sufficiently unsuccesful...
By the way, aerial bombing does not work anymore. Not since the second world war. It just look good on tv.

[oliver.rochford]

By the way, aerial bombing does not work anymore. Not since the second world war. It just look good on tv.

It still works very well, it just depends on your aim.

Morally it is excellent, and for destroying infrastructure it is good too.

It's just insufficient if you have no obvious targets....and you can't conquer a country with it

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Ollie

[carbondragon]

It still works very well, it just depends on your aim.

Morally it is excellent, and for destroying infrastructure it is good too.

It's just insufficient if you have no obvious targets....and you can't conquer a country with it

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Ollie

 I guess what i am trying to say is that you cant win war this way. The US is good at starting war but It seems to me that no one wins war anymore. What is up with that... Money get spent and people die and all thats left is misery an resentment.
|I guess some peole get to line their pockets too.

[oliver.rochford]

Well, I don't think anyone has ever actually won a war with bombing.
Groundtroops are always needed, and that's where it gets really messy.

You can of course bomb away someones supply lines and manufacturing capacity, but in modern wars that doesn't play a role anymore.

Looking at Afghanistan, Iraq and Palastine for example, they smuggle the stuff in, and it's even brought on the open market in some cases.

And in a Guerrila war you can forget it anyway. Pitched battles are extremely rare nowadays, and a western nation hasn't really participated in one since vietnam afaiaa. (although I am prepared to be corrected on that)

Democratic nations also have no stomach or endurance for prolongued war. It's unsustainable due to public opinion. Plus democracies produce alot of  liberal and reactive citizens.

Think about how many americans and british are already now disillusioned by the war in the middle east, just imagine the mood if america would try to bring in the draft.
Now, I'm not saying that's gonna happen, but there are alot of rumours and hints regarding that.

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Ollie

[RobTzu]

The Germans increased their wartime production each and every year until 1944 when they started to lose land to ground troops.  It has been suggested that if the Allies had targeted their power plants this would have not been the case.  The blitz did not stop the English, bombing did not stop the Germans and the Japanese were still going up until the end.  We dropped more bomb tonnage on North Vietnam than we did in WWII and we all know how well that worked.

Air strikes have their place.  If we were to attack Iranian Nuclear facilities we would slow them down.  Embargoes would make it more expensive, but if they want nukes they will get nukes.  The only way to stop them is to take over the Country with Ground troops.  In my estimation it would take an invasion force of 500-600K, and an occupation force of 400-500k.  Eventually we would get tired of occupying them, and most likely before they got tired of fighting us.

[Chip Haynes]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we sort of hasten our victory ithe Pacific theater during WWII with a couple of well-placed aerial bombs?

Thne again, imagine a modern war of any size trying to happen with little or no oil.