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« on: September 24, 2008, 12:05:58 PM »

I admit being more than a little concerned at the timing of this "financial crisis" which can allegedly destroy free markets and the "sudden" need to give Paulson and the Executive Branch of the US gov't extraordinary powers.  We can only hope that Congress does not give the Executive a "blank check", because doing so would effectively amount to Congress abrogating its responsibilities under the Constitution to levy taxes and pass budgets and give that power to the Executive.

There is no question that most bloggers now see the Constitutional danger in the proposed bailout, here's a sample:

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Overnight, the U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve have radically changed the character of American capitalism. It is nothing less than a coup d’ętat for the class that FDR called “banksters.” What has happened in the past two weeks threatens to change the coming century – irreversibly, if they can get away with it. This is the largest and most inequitable transfer of wealth since the land giveaways to the railroad barons during the Civil War era.


http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson09202008.html

Other writers say its time for Americans to realize that we are all Americans and revolt against this coup by the bankers.

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The other option, the one I have long prayed we would never need to even consider, is a total revolution. But, If Congress won't act in its own self-defense, in the defense of democracy, in defense of us - the people who have elected them to protect us from this very danger - then what is left for us to do? I don't want to see it come down to this, but I fear that it will. Put your party politics aside right now. We are in a crisis so dangerous that should these people succeed in their coup, your party affiliation will no longer matter, your American flag will be a nice collectible item of something that once was, and your version of God will be worshiped in secrecy because your freedoms will be owned by the few.

You are no longer Republicans, Democrats, or any shade of voter. You do not live in a swing state or a solid colored state. You are simply this: an American. That is the only side that matters. So call your members of Congress and demand, no, declare that unless they do their duty to the Constitution and to us, we will move to the streets - not because we want to, but because our founding fathers demanded this duty of each and every citizen in the face of such a domestic enemy. Demand - as is your right - that this bill be voted against and demand - as is your right - that the people plotting this treachery be held to account. We are either a nation of laws or we are no longer a democracy. Pick a side, because there won't be another time, another moment, another chance to be a patriot.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/welcome-to-the-final-stag_b_127990.html

Even mainstream news reports the bailout will make Paulson a "financial dictator."

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Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson “is in effect becoming the dictator of the American financial system for a few months, subject to congressional oversight,” said Wall Street historian John Steele Gordon, author of a book about the national debt.


http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/REG/809219995/1036

Who would have thought that in America, we would ever refer to someone in our gov't as a financial dictator?  Well, Paulson isn't elected, so maybe the title fits.  At any rate, this is unprecedented.  I hope people fully appreciate the Constitutional significance of unfolding events.

If the bailout is approved and we witness a coup, was the usurpation of our Constitution a "plan" and or was it simply a reaction to unforeseen changing financial conditions?   To answer this question, let's start with where we are and work back.  Right now, Paulson and the President say we need a bailout to avoid a major financial collapse.  So, what caused the financial collapse?  The financial collapse was caused by a collapse in housing.  This is admitted by the White House.

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Remember that the root of this problem is the housing correction.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080923-6.html

The housing bust began with the bust of "liar" loans.  What are "liar loans"? A liar loan is a home loan that loans 100% of the value of the home, not requiring the buyer to pay anything down and not requiring the buyer to prove his income.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stated_income_loan

Basically, with a liar loan, any adult could buy a home.  That was unprecedented.  At no time in US history were people allowed to buy a home with nothing down and no documentation of income.  Its no wonder that people bought more than they could afford and that the default rates are now so high.  The liar loans were prevalent during the boom years of 2004 and 2005.  They were adjustable rate loans, meaning the buyer paid interest only usually for anywhere from 2-5 years.  Then, the loan would reset (some would say set to blow), the interest rate would adjust to a higher rate and principal would be added to the payment, meaning, the borrower's monthly payment could go up significantly.  So, a great number of these loans were set to blow before Bush left office - a significant fact.

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But some people in the industry call them "stated income" loans, or worse, "liar loans." And they were an important part of the record real estate boom of 2004 and 2005 that has recently shown signs of turning into a bust.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/19/news/economy/next_subprime/index.htm


The problem is, once the defaults set in, instead of "trickle down" economics, the water began to boil up, and now our credit markets are seared shut, causing an unprecedented credit crisis which will require extraordinary powers for the Executive to deal with.

The question is, who was responsible for the massive number of liar loans?  To answer to this question, look back at this speech by President Bush.

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I set an ambitious goal. It's one that I believe we can achieve. It's a clear goal, that by the end of this decade we'll increase the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million families. (Applause.)

Some may think that's a stretch. I don't think it is. I think it is realistic. I know we're going to have to work together to achieve it. But when we do our communities will be stronger and so will our economy. Achieving the goal is going to require some good policies out of Washington. And it's going to require a strong commitment from those of you involved in the housing industry.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015-7.html#

What policy of the gov't could possibly suddenly qualify 5.5 million minorities for home loans? Answer, unregulated Liar loans.  Simply loan 100% on the home with no documentation of income.   The housing boom and liar loans would not have been possible without the low interest rate policy of Greenspan.  Now, one might think that Alan Greenspan was just a fool and had no idea the low interest rates would cause a housing boom and bust, but, he was no fool.  In fact, his doctoral thesis was on housing cycles which end in bust.  Here's a snippet:

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We were tickled to find that the work's introduction includes a discussion of soaring housing prices and their effect on consumer spending; it even anticipates a bursting housing bubble. Writes Greenspan: "There is no perpetual motion machine which generates an ever-rising path for the prices of homes."


http://online.barrons.com/article/SB120917419049046805.html?page=1

Greenspan, an expert in housing booms and bust, first lowered rates which allowed the massive surge of liar loans, but then began raising rates in 2006 to cause a slow down, aka bust.

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EXPECT ECONOMIC GROWTH TO CONTINUE IN 2006, although at a slower pace, as the housing market dials down and interest rates rise, predicted experts at the National Association of Home Builders' (NAHB's) Construction Forecast Conference in Washington, D.C., in October.

After years of locomotive-like momentum, the housing market is "seeking out a peak," and there is some evidence that the Federal Reserve's quarter-percentagepoint incremental rate hikes will finally have the desired effect of cooling some of housing's fire . . .

"[Federal Reserve Chairman Alan] Greenspan has discovered it's no longer as easy to slow down housing as it used to be, and the Fed has run into difficulty in taking some of the steam out of a boom that it believes has been running too hot and cannot be sustained," said Seiders.


http://www.allbusiness.com/finance/3596691-1.html?yahss=114-3470923-3596691&siap=1

Even back in 2006, everyone knew a potential housing "crisis" was brewing.  Check out this quote from the above article:

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Greenspan appears to be determined to leave monetary policy in a neutral statewhere it is neither a source of stimulus nor a drag on the economy, in order to afford his successor the flexibility to loosen or tighten as needed in the event of a crisis, ...


And back in 2006, everyone knew which markets were "juiced up" and destined for a crisis.  Check out this quote yet again from the same article.

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However, Mark Zandi, chief economist of Economy.com, ... warned that housing has become "increasingly overvalued," especially in metro areas throughout California and Florida and in "juiced-up" markets such as Washington, D.C., and Boston.


The above article clearly shows that the current crisis in housing was anticipated and that Greenspan was leaving his successor "room" to deal with it.  Interesting, Greenspan, the expert in housing booms and busts, was replaced by Bernanke, a specialist on the Great Depression.  He was replaced in 2006 just as housing peaked and began its downslope. 

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Bernanke is particularly interested in the economic and political causes of the Great Depression, on which he has written extensively.




Another interesting 2006 appointment was the appointment of Paulson, CEO of Goldman Sachs, as Secretary of the Treasury.  Paulson's appointment was the "icing on the cake" to use the very foreseeable housing crisis to the benefit of a few investment banks, like Goldman Sachs.

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Think of Paulson as Mr. Risk. He's one of the key architects of a more daring Wall Street, where securities firms are taking greater and greater chances in their pursuit of profits. By some key measures, the securities industry is more leveraged now than it was at the height of the 1990s boom. It has also extended its global supremacy since then.


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According to an individual close to Paulson, the President told the Goldman chief he wanted a "very senior person" from Wall Street. He also said he wanted Paulson to play a broader role in his Administration than had previous Treasury secretaries, taking on the role of Bush's "principal adviser" on economic matters and driving economic policy.


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Within Goldman, Paulson is known as an exceedingly effective communicator. If he can translate Wall Street's language of speculation into something the public and politicians understand, the President's gamble in appointing him will pay off for everyone.




The key appointments of Greenspan, Bernanke, and Paulson, and their timing, show that the housing boom to bust to bailout were all a part of Bush' "strong policy" administered by these three men.  This "strong Washington policy" of lending to unqualified minority buyers using liar loans, set to blow before Bush left office, would and did create a foreseeable crisis n the highly leveraged mortgage markets (of which Goldman Sachs was a leading participant), and threaten to take down the entire world's financial system, and thus open the door for Paulson to become an "economic dictator" to deal with it.

Congressman Ron Paul also believes that Washington is responsible for this mess:

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We are told that "low interest rates" led to excessive borrowing, but we are not told how these low interest rates came about. They were a deliberate policy of the Federal Reserve. As always, artificially low interest rates distort the market.
Entrepreneurs engage in malinvestments - investments that do not make sense in light of current resource availability, that occur in more temporally remote stages of the capital structure than the pattern of consumer demand can support, and that would not have been made at all if the interest rate had been permitted to tell the truth instead of being toyed with by the Fed.


http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic,26063.0/topicseen.html][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bernanke/url]

There is more evidence that this was preplanned failure.  Back in March of 2008, Congress held an extraordinary "closed session" meaning it wasn't open to the public and all attending representatives had to sign an oath of secrecy not to divulge the discussions. 

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_session_of_the_United_States_Congress]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_session_of_the_United_States_Congress


What was said at that closed session will forever be left to speculation.  Ostensibly, the session was called by the GOP to update for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/03/house_may_hold_rare_closed_ses.html; but several blogs reported "leaks" from that extraordinary session which were extraordinary in and of themselves.  I previously dismissed those supposed leaks as unsupported conspiracy theory, but in light of recent events, in particular, the events of this month, the leaks are much harder to dismiss.   For example, one of the leaks was that the US economy would crash in September of 2008.  At the time, that sounded crazy.  However, its now September 2008 and Paulson and Bernanke are each testifying to Congress that if they don't pass this bailout, the entire world's economy will fail.  Another leak was that the crash would require the imposition of martial law.  Coincidentally, this very month, the Army assigned the first troops ever to the dedicated mission of responding to emergencies on US soil.

Northcom gets a dedicated Army Combat Brigade.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

If these are coincidences, their timing is uncanny.  Everyone should review the "leaks" and decide, based on recent events, whether these leaks were actually discussed back in March of 08 by Congress.

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1. the imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by
September 2008,

2. the imminent collapse of US federal government finances
by February 2009,

3. the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of
the collapse,

4. advance round-ups of "insurgent U.S. citizens" likely to
move against the government,

5. the detention of those rounded-up at "REX 84" camps
constructed throughout the USA,

6. the possibility of retaliation against members of Congress
for the collapses,

7. the location of "safe facilities" for members of Congress
and their families to reside during expected massive civil
unrest,

8. the necessary and unavoidable merger of the United States
with Canada (for its natural resources) and with Mexico (for its
cheap labor pool),

9. the issuance of a new currency - THE AMERO - for all three
nations as the proposed solution to the coming economic
armageddon.

Members of Congress were FORBIDDEN to reveal what was discussed.
Several are so furious and concerned about the future of the contry, they
have begun leaking info.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x197846

Further, the White House says Paulson's bailout was not a kneejerk reaction and was in fact, months in the planning.  In a Whitehouse press briefing, press Secretary Fratto said this about how long they had to get this bailout plan together: 

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MR. FRATTO: No, well, look, I think I would reconcile it this way: This is -- this was not a program that was conceived of or put together hastily. There was an enormous amount of analysis and debate and discussion before we came forward with this program. I think we have anticipated a lot of the questions that members of Congress would naturally have about taking this step, but we have had -- some of the policy staff have had months to think about what a program like this would be like and how it would work.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080923-6.html

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/23/15463/3802/393/607783

Based on the fact that Bush wanted to make these loans to millions of previously unqualified buyers, based on the fact that these millions of loans were made using unprecedented liar loans which would not last beyond his term and would not have been possible without low interest rates, based on the fact that there was a closed door session of Congress, based on new evidence that Paulson's plan was months in the making, and based on the fact that I and every other American give Bush the lowest rating in presidential history (because we no longer trust him), its hard for me to believe that this economic tsunami was not a preplanned event set to go off right at the end of Bush's presidency.  At a minimum, the timing of this crisis going into a presidential election is suspect.

Keep in mind this thought also -  Paulson is proposing the bailout under the auspice that a bailout is needed to stablize the housing meltdown.  Well, this writer, writing back in April of 2008, says that bailouts can't possible help a crisis of liar loans.

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But there's one piece of the mortgage-meltdown tale that virtually every article or television program dances around without ever quite confronting. It's the simplest aspect of the crisis to understand and also the most troubling, because it's not about complicated financial dealings and can't be fixed with bailouts. It's about an astounding breakdown of social norms.


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So, do we need a bailout or not?  No matter what, Paulson is asking to become an "economic dictator" and that should be worrying to anyone living in a free market American democracy.

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2008, 12:25:27 PM »

I've seen it mentioned in a couple of places, Market Ticker among them, that under questioning during the Senate hearing, Tony Fratto, deputy Press Secretary, admitted that the document and plan Bernanke and Paulson have submitted was actually drawn up months ago.  If so, then that would tend to support your concern that this wasn't "accidental."

Quote from the http://market-ticker.denninger.net/ site:

"Finally, we learned today that The White House was planning this little piece of financial dictatorship for quite some time:

    "Fratto insisted that the plan was not slapped together and had been drawn up as a contingency over previous months and weeks by administration officials.
     He acknowledged lawmakers were getting only days to peruse it, but he said this should be enough."

What a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive."


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"This should be enough."  In other words, just shut the hell up and do what we tell you to do. 

Nice. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2008, 12:29:56 PM »

I, for one, welcome my New World Overlords.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2008, 12:30:19 PM »

I, for one, welcome my New World Overlords.


You can have 'em.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 12:39:47 PM »

Seriously, Seahorse, nice compilation of "evidence." Admittedly this all speculative at this point, but my Spidey Sense has been tingling for awhile because of the September meme that's been floating around online. The question I had, though, is whether Ike was enough to throw off planning prematurely, destroy some key shorts, topple some financial firms unexpectedly, etc.

Still, with the level of financial manipulation that goes on, it feels like this is a "controlled collapse". Honestly I don't know which is worse -- controlled collapse, or unmitigated chaos. Oh well, if life gives you lemons, throw 'em!
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 12:43:48 PM »

for some reason i feel all of this is going to drag into october...and 10/7 really might be something...but let's hope not
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2008, 12:48:04 PM »

I agree, there is still a lot of speculation, but that is a link to President Bush's actual statement, the use of liar loans causing this debacle is well accepted, there was a closed door session of Congress in March, and, if everyone else in the world could see the problem developing since at least 2005, well documented before then, its hard for me to imagine that Paulson and the like were "surprised" by the current credit crisis.  In fact, to believe they were suddenly surprised defies reason.  

But the issue is whether Congress will now effectively abrogate its Constitutional authority over the budget to the Executive. They've already abrogated their Constitutional authority to declare war to the President by passing the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act (which says it does away with the right of habeas corpus, and allows the executive to define an enemy combatant), they've done nothing to stop the Executive's wire tapping and domestic surveillance, so I see no reason to believe they will stand up to the President now.  I fully anticipate they will give the Executive the authority to write the next 2 trillion dollars in checks or more.  Jim Sinclair believes this program will eventually cost the US taxpayer $5 trillion dollars, and said that $20 trillion is not out of the question. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2008, 12:48:34 PM »

It certainly feels like we're building towards something monumental, doesn't it.

Seahorse, thanks for putting all that together in one post. I've emailed it to my family, and now I'm hoping they start to realize what may be coming soon.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2008, 12:53:06 PM »

You guys are barking up the wrong tree IMHO..  You are barking at the right thing, but its not in the tree that you are barking at..

The Constitution is long dead.  It is even copyrighted.  Will come a point you will be in trouble for using the words without permission.  That being said it is an admirable document.  But its history, nothing but an illusion..

Its owner is the Depository Trust Corporation, located at 55 Waters Street NY,NY.  The building is known as "the Tower of Power", it is aptly named.

This is the richest corporation in the world, its time you heard of it..

Its corporate holdings include the United States of America, which in turn holds the State of....., City of....  and so forth.  

Yup, our government is but a corporate subsidary of Depository Trust Corporation..

Depository Trust Corporation also hold a financial company, known as the Federal Reserve Bank Corporation.  This company controls and manages all the finances in the corporation, thru the Federal Reserve Note..

Depository Trust Corporation also has a legal Department, known as the American Bar Association, which is responsible for creating and administrating all the corporate bylaws..

Of course Depository Trust Corporation has a collections department, known as the Internal Revenue Service.  Im sure I dont need to explain this..

Then there is the CEDE corporation, also a Depository Trust Corporation holding.  CEDE owns all unregistered stocks and securities.  Think you own your stock??  Think again, if its not in your hand with your name on it CEDE owns it..  It has over 20 trillion dollars in holdings, yet, as it is a private company, you have probably never heard of it??

All these corporate entities, except the United States corporation, are headquarted in the Tower of Power, 55 Waters Street NY,NY..

All matters of policy emanate from the Tower of Power, as they own it.  The United States corporate administration, located in DC, is just a bunch of clerks tht make the dictates from the Tower reality in the United States...

You need to bark at the owners of the United States, its corporate holder, not the poor clerks and visible puppets..  They are there for that purpose though..

While you are barking at the clerks and puppets the true masters, the owners, are merely laughing at your impotence and stupidity...

Wanna make a change??  55 Waters Street....

You are owned.  If you continue to accept this it is reality.

If I walk up to you and inform you that I am your master, and you say "yessir massa, what is your wish" I do in fact own you..   If you say "WTF!!??  You dont own me!!"  I certainly dont..

But by using their products, following their every mandate, you are owned...

Might as well say "yessir massa", because in effect you are..  You may say you are free but you act the part of a owned slave in everyway except a few traitorous mumbling...

I say bark at the right tree...









 





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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2008, 12:57:31 PM »

Awww hell, we are part of that Number 4 round ups arent we??
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2008, 12:59:57 PM »

Seahorse - Why do you think that Congress is even having the hearing then if they already knew about this?
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2008, 01:03:52 PM »

If this thing actually gets passed, it would be one of the biggest ripoffs ever by the corporate elite. $10,000 per household - handed over to Wall Street fat-cats.  Huh

Hey, I am Canadian and I would never stand for something like that in my country. If they tried that here in Canada, I would write a letter to my representative and tell them I would no longer pay taxes ever again, I would sell my house, go into the black market economy, liquidate all my investments and savings and buy gold and bury it somewhere, take out tens of thousands on my credit card, declare bankruptcy. I would declare that my government has lost legitimacy.

In my opinion, the only response to that scale of swindle would be a general strike and mass demonstrations on Washington. But this is your country and you can decide how to respond.
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2008, 01:04:24 PM »

Seahorse - Why do you think that Congress is even having the hearing then if they already knew about this?

I'll tell you why:  because the citizenry still has power.  We are not powerless.  They are still afraid of us.

"When will the common man realize his power, and rise up, and shake off the CHAINS that bind him?"  George Orwell.

The real key is to figure out what the CHAINS are.....

Dennis said, But by using their products, following their every mandate, you are owned...
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If you haven't heard this speech you should.  She nails it!
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2008, 01:12:40 PM »

Seahorse - Why do you think that Congress is even having the hearing then if they already knew about this?

I'll tell you why:  because the citizenry still has power.  We are not powerless.  They are still afraid of us.

"When will the common man realize his power, and rise up, and shake off the CHAINS that bind him?"  George Orwell.

The real key is to figure out what the CHAINS are.....

Dennis said, But by using their products, following their every mandate, you are owned...



Yes!!!  They have to make the dog and pony show for our benefit..

They have to show us how hard they are working, how much we need them, how fucked we would be without them..

Its just a big show to sell us their dictates, nothing more....
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