Gurgi reporting for duty

[pamela]

Welcome Gurgi, Your reasoning behind leaving your intentional group is EXACTLY why my husband and I are basically hermits. LOL

[Jagshemesh]

I used to dream of living in an intentional community...Now I am focused on an intentional family.  Lacking the matriarch currently.

[pamela]

intentional family

what a wonderful thought that is. 
We could use a lot more of those these days.

[JurisDoctorOfDoom]

Welcome Gurgi, Your reasoning behind leaving your intentional group is EXACTLY why my husband and I are basically hermits. LOL

Hermits are cool. "The Hermit" from the Tarot:

the Hermit is an isolated, solitary being, one who prefers a private existence apart from the extravagance and superficiality of materialistic living. Largely that's true, but the real message he wishes to impart is just how important it is for you and I (if we wish to reach his level of attainment) to set our values above materialism's fascinations and temporal attunements. Notice that he is pictured standing on the highest peak among the surrounding mountains. In his right hand he holds a lantern which appears to be lighting his way. Actually, the lantern's light is intended for seekers, others like you and I, who are still climbing and struggling up the mountainside below him. Notice that he is looking down, watching our progress.

I'm a bit of The Hermit combined with The Knight of Wands. Weird combo, I realize. I even own a (solar) lantern like a true hermit. Don't have a horse like the Knight of Wands though.

[Barter4Booze]

JDOD: Get thee to a library and request "The Seven Storey Mountain" by Thomas Merton. I don't think thee'll be disappointed. 

[gurgi]

hmm...

[kiwiduncan]

Welcome Gurgi, Your reasoning behind leaving your intentional group is EXACTLY why my husband and I are basically hermits. LOL

Hermits are cool. "The Hermit" from the Tarot:

the Hermit is an isolated, solitary being, one who prefers a private existence apart from the extravagance and superficiality of materialistic living. Largely that's true, but the real message he wishes to impart is just how important it is for you and I (if we wish to reach his level of attainment) to set our values above materialism's fascinations and temporal attunements. Notice that he is pictured standing on the highest peak among the surrounding mountains. In his right hand he holds a lantern which appears to be lighting his way. Actually, the lantern's light is intended for seekers, others like you and I, who are still climbing and struggling up the mountainside below him. Notice that he is looking down, watching our progress.

I'm a bit of The Hermit combined with The Knight of Wands. Weird combo, I realize. I even own a (solar) lantern like a true hermit. Don't have a horse like the Knight of Wands though.

Hermits are indeed cool.  I wouldn't want to be a total recluse of course, but I sympathise with Gurgi's frustrations at the less than motivated attitudes of some of the residents at her original community.  We had the same issue where I was living out in the countryside in the UK.  I'd spend many satisfying hours working in my garden but some of the "India-heads" would just jump into their sports car and drive to Sainsburys to shop in the "Organics" section.  I reckon having your own plot of land but having like-minded friends and family is the wayt to go.

Here's an ode to hermits by the way.

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[maurice]

"Interestingly, aromatic cedar oil is an amazing insect repellent.  It somehow screws up "pest insects" phermone system, making them flee the smell.  "Good insects" or predator insects in integrated pest management systems primarily hunt by sight leaving them free to hunt crop eaters.  There is a company in Texas that finally figured out how to get cedar oil in solution and stay there.  It is an extremely unstable oil.  Now that it can be effectively diluted, it is commercially viable."

I wonder if cedar oil, cedar shavings or cedar blocks can also be used to preserve grain such as rice or wheat from insect attack, when
nitrogen packing becomes unavailable after TEOTWAKI. 

[Jagshemesh]

It absolutely can.  Interestingly enough, there is a company that has commercialized cedar oil impregnated plastic bags for fruit shipping.  Does anyone remember when Nicarauguan fruit workers sued Dole because of exposure to chemicals?  Dole used chemically treated plastic and the workers would take scrap plastic home to patch a hole in the roof or wrap houselhold items in, etc.  Soon cancer, birth defects and all types of severe consequences followed. 

So, to answer your question, Cedar oil is able to do what you are wondering.... 

Check out cedarcide from Spring, TX.  Some really cool guys (Ben and Dave) putting their brains to good (and safe) use.  I used to work with their product.

[maurice]

It absolutely can.  Interestingly enough, there is a company that has commercialized cedar oil impregnated plastic bags for fruit shipping.  Does anyone remember when Nicarauguan fruit workers sued Dole because of exposure to chemicals?  Dole used chemically treated plastic and the workers would take scrap plastic home to patch a hole in the roof or wrap houselhold items in, etc.  Soon cancer, birth defects and all types of severe consequences followed. 

So, to answer your question, Cedar oil is able to do what you are wondering.... 

Check out cedarcide from Spring, TX.  Some really cool guys (Ben and Dave) putting their brains to good (and safe) use.  I used to work with their product.

Thank you, Jagshemesh. This is valuable information.

[Ellie]

Welcome Gurgi, Your reasoning behind leaving your intentional group is EXACTLY why my husband and I are basically hermits. LOL

Hermits are cool. "The Hermit" from the Tarot:

the Hermit is an isolated, solitary being, one who prefers a private existence apart from the extravagance and superficiality of materialistic living. Largely that's true, but the real message he wishes to impart is just how important it is for you and I (if we wish to reach his level of attainment) to set our values above materialism's fascinations and temporal attunements. Notice that he is pictured standing on the highest peak among the surrounding mountains. In his right hand he holds a lantern which appears to be lighting his way. Actually, the lantern's light is intended for seekers, others like you and I, who are still climbing and struggling up the mountainside below him. Notice that he is looking down, watching our progress.

I'm a bit of The Hermit combined with The Knight of Wands. Weird combo, I realize. I even own a (solar) lantern like a true hermit. Don't have a horse like the Knight of Wands though.

The Hermit is my life card in the Tarot. It's all about shedding material attachments and then isolating myself to do my inner work. Interestingly, long before I got involved with Tarot I went through a period of being super-social, mostly based around the local music scene. I got to a point where I just couldn't take it anymore, and went into a period of extreme hermit-like behavior, of which I still, well over a decade later, have not emerged. I require great amounts of time alone, a fact that only made sense to me once I got a reading and learned about the importance of The Hermit in my life. What strikes me, though, is that I don't think I would have been able to embrace The Hermit so much if I hadn't spent a few years being overly-social. It was like I was getting it out of my system or something, in preparation for what I had to do later.

Anyway, Gurgi, from a fellow Oregonian (and Hermit), welcome!

[maurice]

Cedar oil is sold by the Vermont Country Store, accoording to their new catalog I received today.

[waxchrist]

didn't read the entire thread, but i was intrigued by the problems you had with non-blood relation community building.

some friends of mine are in early planning stages of such things and we are running into similar psychological shennanigans. we have people who don't contribute much at all and are being carried by sentiment in the planning, and we have people who are so vehement that they seem to be taking everything on themselves in an unhealthy way, not to mention guiding progress in directions that aren't discussed without realizing they are doing so.

did you encounter any potential solutions to this problem before you gave up?

we have some ideas about charters and such, but we are frustrated on some of the points you mentioned.

[peacefullight]

Peace and greetings to Gurgi,

I am a native Pakistani from Karachi. I am glad to hear your thirst for researching about true natural phenomenon that has made us humans the most complex biological systems currently known to us in all of the universe. We are suffering most of the health and other problems by violating natural laws that produced us humans in the first place. Are we more intelligent or the forces of nature which made us what we are? We rape and abuse the natural resources of our blessed Earth more than anything else.

As I am a muslim so i will give a quotation from Koran for information purposes only with no intention of proving others wrong or claiming that only I know the absolute truth because everyone has a personal choice to believe in whichever absolute truth version he/she wants to believe in, but one must believe in something as the absolute truth in order to remain focused in life.

Allah says in Koran chapter 55 verse 5-8

5-the sun and the moon run on their fixed courses  calculated with measured out stages for each.
6.And the stars and the trees both prostrate to Him
7.And the heaven He has raised high, and He has set up the Equilibrium.
8.And do not break the equilibrium.

All of the world's ecosystems are supposed to be in equilibrium if given the right care and importance by humans but they have been breaking the equilibrium of these ecosystems more brutally as they develop more and more capable technologies to do it faster for them.

http://www.greenfacts.org/en/ecosystems/millennium-assessment-2/1-ecosystem-change.htm

I read somewhere that after the baby milk poisoning incident, chinese have become more fed up with their communist government and surprisingly some disturbed individuals from the Chinese public found out that the high ups of the communist party take only organic food and nothing refined or artificial which they only sell without doing even careful quality checks to their own public and rest of the world for the sake of obscene profits. These communist high ups have complete organic farmlands which are their private properties. Thats why the world leaders are so healthy and rarely ever get sick.

One must love his nature which gave him birth and carried him/her on a journey to reach the 20th century. According to our belief systems Allah will severely punish such people in the afterlife.

With high regards and best wishes,

Peacefullight.

[Filipek]

ups - posted in the wrong place... noob